According to David Icke and many others the vaccine for the swine flu is extremely dangerous. An Austrian scientist has made a denouncement to the FBI against the World Health Organization, Obama and others claiming that the swine flu virus was deliberately released from a laboratory and that in the near future, they have plans to force people to be vaccinated and that they have passed laws stating that they will be imprisoned if they refuse. She was dismissed immediately afterwards. The makers of the vaccine, Baxter International, has been taken to court in the USA many times for paralyzing people, causing autism, etc. The vaccine has been produced in China with no supervision by protection agencies, either Chinese or American. The limits for mercury in vaccines have been illiminated by the US and this is a very toxic substance. Other toxic substances are in the vaccine. Vaccines, by the way, have substances in them such as human foetuses, dogs kidneys, monkey brains. A person whom Icke spoke to said he was speaking at a conference and one of the audience members said that she worked for a pharmaceutical company in Austria (Baxter International has a subsidiary in Vienna) and that they had looked at the new vaccine under a microscope, magnifying it only by as little as 12 times and they could clearly see nano microchips. I have just heard that a third of nurses in the UK are refusing to have the vaccine. This has not been related on the governmen/Berlusconi-controlled news in Italy where I live. I have five friends who are doctors here and all of them have said they have no intention of being vaccinated. My Swiss friend, Françoise (who is a very conservative person by the way) told me that her friend who works for a pharmaceutical company agrees with what Icke and the others say. I met an Englishman who had a friend who was a doctor who was feeling unwell. He was diagnosed with swine flu and taken to hospital. He insisted that as a doctor he knew he did not have flu. They vaccinated him any way and he was dead in a week. On the Italian news they told of a young Tibetan woman who had a persistant cough and achey limbs. They took her to hospital saying she had the flu and she was dead in a week. As a result, the Chinese government is going to vaccinate the entire Tibetan population and we all know how the Tibetan people are treated by them. (I love and admire the Chinese people but the government does not represent them). Icke also says that all over the UK they have been doing reconstruction work at town halls and that different firms were used for the varying phases, then people sent by the secret services were sent to finish the work off. He asked for information from the local authorities and they said they were disaster centres. I've noticed that they've been doing work at my small comune here in Italy. Why was it stated months ago that there would be a pandemic when the flu is very mild indeed. Why do they not mention how many (and there are a lot) people die each year from normal flu? Could it be that they really release these diseases from laboratories? The pharmaceutical companies, including Baxter International, are all descendents from the pharmaceutical companies that worked for the nazis producing the gas that killed so many people, Jews and others. Their scientists were, you may recall if you like watching documentaries, flown over to South and North America by the CIA and the British secret services. Never wondered why?

This whole swine flu thing has been blown ridiculously out of proportion by governments who are slowly losing power to their citizens and wish to show their power.
I am hugely disappointed by the WHO, declaring pandemic status on something that isn't even as dangerous as the normal influenza virus was stupid.
More to the point, viruses thrive by mutation. This is like trying to vaccine the common cold, as soon as you make a functioning vaccine the virus will evolve in such a way that the vaccine will be inneffective. This could progress until the virus actually becomes dangerous.

'human foetuses, dogs kidneys, monkey brains' are generally not found in any vaccines I'm aware of, a vaccine is usually a weaker version of the actual disease which is injected into the blood-stream so the immune system can create the types of antibodies needed to destroy the actual virus without the effort of having to fight against the weaker invader.

I also doubt about the nano-chips at 12x magnification. As far as I know, these types of equipment are far too technologically advanced and thus expensive to be injected into every person in the world's blood-stream.

To be fair, the biggest danger I see from the 'vaccine' is for it to become polluted or damaged somehow, and the world ending up like in I am Legend.

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This is history repeating itself. We did this on the previous pandemic of the swine flu, they also claimed it was more dangerous than the flu itself. The flu didnt pan out to be what is was suppose to be, The vaccine was given too early and caused many deaths. I will wait for the flu or the world to be in absolute crisis before I will consider this

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I am waiting for the H1N1 to be "CPT Tripps" which was the virus from the movie The Stand...Then I might be worried. The vaccine is a crock as far as I see it as of now. Thats my view.

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I read your post and looked for some of these cases and could not find them. The vaccine was just released last week so how did those cases you spoke of get the vaccine? On saying that, I admit, it is true that some people have bad reactions to the flu vaccines in the past, and yes, some do die, less than 0.1% of the population, much more are saved.

. It is true that Baxter has been taken to court many times and many times it was shown that the vaccine does not cause autism. As for the mercury, many get much more than is in medications from eating certain fish, like tuna and swordfish. I know many fear that it causes autism. My generation had been forced to get ALL innoculations before entering school. There are very few diagnosed cases of autism amongst my generation. I too at one time had wondered if the innoculations are the cause of it, but I keep going back to that fact, we were all innoculated and very few had that disorder.

The pandemic flu in 1918-19 killed 20 million people worldwide, that pandemic killed more people than World War 1. People had no immunity to that virus, and it is the same with the H1N1. The scary thing about this flu is that it continued and lived through the summer, virus's don't spread in heat.

There has been 1397 deaths in US from swine flu since August, 2009. 76 children since April, the CDC states that is an alarming number. . I just now heard the H1N1 is particularly dangerous for children and 17 alone have passed from it this week. I must admit, I don't know if that is more than regular Flu's, but it is hitting children the hardest. Is it going to be the pandemic they are making it out to be, I can't say, as of now I don't feel it looks that way but our flu season just began one week ago and to me 17 children dead is 17 too many. I feel it is better to be safe than sorry. I would get the flu shot if I could for the first time ever, but it is given to children and pregnant women, and health care workers first. (I do qualify but I am forgoing my shot so a child can get it) if there is enough left, then I will choose to get one.

As to it being deliberatly released, I can't say. BUT, what does it matter, it is here and killing children.

I know this is a very hard and individual choice to make. I would suggest though, to do research, real scientific research, and not base your decision on the sayings of David Icke, a writer who believes Lizard Reptilians really rule the world.

Please, research, make your own decision and be secure with it. All parents do what they feel is the best, and believe the choice you made was the right choice!

Much love xxx

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I agree with the lovely Datin.

Davide Icke was the self proclaimed son of god who says he flew over a war torn area and created the peace. Something the soldiers and such obviously didnt feel for a considerable time after.

The Swine Flu is estimated to cause Thousands more deaths than the normal flu, they say these are estimates and actually the flu may only cause no more than usual amount of deaths due to flu.

personally I would risk the vaccine than the flu itself.

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I am beginning to think that those who have commented on David Icke have not actually read what he has said but what journalists say he has said in order to create a sensational news story.
I suggest you read the site of Dr. Andrew Moulden, a very eminant doctor who has done a lot of research on vaccines and says that vaccines are responsible for a large number of diseases and claims that most doctors are aware of this.
Too many people make decisions on what they think has been said instead of what they have actually researched and read. These vaccines knock out your immune system and results of vaccines can result later in life.
Maybe, we should think in terms of takiing the vaccine ourselves and saving a child from it.
The Times of London did some research on where people had died of AIDS in the last years and superimposed over a map of these areas where mass vaccination had occurred. The two areas matched perfectly. The WHO announced in the late 1990s that 90 million people would die of AIDS. How did you think they knew?

and i would suggest you have a look at David Ickes history!

The guy spent several years trying to convince everyone he is the son of god.

He only stopped when a publicist left him then tried to fob it all off as a joke.

IMO if you believe the fllu vaccine is bad for you decline it if offered persoanlly I wall be accepting it as i see no reason to fear it.

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There are a handful of emminent doctors aganst it, but many eminent doctors recommend it. I again look to the fact that I am nearing 60 and very few of my generation had Autsim or any ohter affects from it. I know many fear autism, but another thing that has changed since my generation was innoculated, we did not have all the food additives, insecticides, pollution, fake sweetners, sugared drinks, hormones added to meat, poor diets, the stress of both parents working, and when at home on comuters and not spending as much time with children. I am not saying that is wrong, but it were major changes in lifestyles, technology, enviornment, etc.... There was also not TV constantly or computers bombarding childrens minds, nor were there computer games doing the same thing, they not only excite, but create a fantasy world at a fast pace. I would feel that these factors have more to do with it than a vaccine.

I just read an article that a pregnant woman with swine flu, gave birth and passed away, the child will never know it's mother. The baby weighs 2 pounds fourteen ounces, I believe that is 1/7th of a stone. I deal with many nurses in my profession who tell me the hospitals are swamped with cases. Is it as bad as they said? Not yet, but the cold weather is not here yet (not in NY) and we already had 5 shcools closed in NYC as most had the swine flu, a college was closed down (sorry I forgot what state). I broke my arm last April and had to be treated in the hall (after xray) as the ER area was quarantined because of the virus. My profession is geriatric social work. i have heard of 11 cases last week amongst our clients and 3 of my friends have it now. Again, it does not seem to be as bad as they were predicting, but remember also, chiildren and parents were versed on preventative messures such as the proper way to wash hands and to use the anti bacterial gels. I must say, I find it cute because when I go to the bathroom in public places, I see children as young as 3 giving there hands a good scrub then using the gel (now supplied for free in our rest rooms, stores, banks, and work places). People how used to go to work sick, now stay home. I feel the prevention information of how not to spread it may be the cause it does not seem as bad as expected, but again, it is not really the season yet, and many have it.

So, I am sticking with my original suggestion, do research with world health organizations. Look at how many died in Mexico and ohter countries. I have looked for research on how many of the test subjects have died who took the shot, I am not a good googler and could not find it. What I do know, is all children (who's parents wanted them to and it was most) in NYC were innoculated free last week, no one got sick from it. My friends pregnant children are having the vaccine, as many pregnant women are having an extremely hard time with the flu and some have passed.

Do research, and make the decision you feel comfortable with.

Much love xxx
Robyn

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Well it was reported about 10 yrs ago in the early 80's on 20/20 of the vacine for swine flu. The vacine was developed in 1970's and was given out to test subjects in the 1975-76. The results of those test were not so positive and the side effects caused alarm. The 20/20 report on it was one that broke up the problems with administrating vaccines on humans without research on the side effects.
Now this new vaccine that was just developed cause of the estmate outbreak to come. Is slight different strand they are using. The side effects of the research , honestly in science feild has not had long enough test subjects to determine the side effects. However, they are claiming that the side effects will not be as bad as the out come of the epidemic.
This isnt really news though, cause this new vacine has just been adinimstared ,.. so we all know this ..and if you watch on television nobody will be concrete on the determing factors of the side effects.
I personally feel it is as any drug out there cause our body is different and as with any drug you take you have risk. Up to you to weigh the risk yourself ..