[Anstar]

I have spent the last four years developing my abilities as a Spirit Artist and am now slowly stepping out to do platform work. I have been told by some people and by some churches that we Spirit Artists are not allowed to do Sunday Services as that is a Divine Service and therefore not suitable for Psychic Art.

I really cannot comprehend why this is beyond the fact that some people still think that because it has been coined Psychic Art that it is done on a psychic level. Spirit Art as it should be called is not done on a psychic level it is a form of Mental Mediumship and in my personal opinion should be afforded the same respect as other forms of Mediumship as it all comes from spirit. If a Spirit Artist can get up and do an address suitable for a Divine Service followed by a demonstration of their Mediumship through Spirit Art why should they not be allowed to?

If anybody can give me a reasonable reason why Spirit Artists cannot do a Divine Service I'd really like to hear it for at the moment I simply don't get it.

luv n light

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[Nat]

Well I am not sure to be honest, but what leapt to my mind during the first paragraph, was "Audience Participation'.

Everyone can listen to an address, listen to survival evidece, etc, all at the same time, ... but what is going on while you are drawing?

If you were verbally giving a reading at the same time you were drawing, or had another medium on same link giving the info, well I can't see why not, ..it would actually be great if peeps could get their read and take their pic home too.

However, if the idea is you standing there drawing and then holding it up and saying 'anyone know this person' , then I am afraid while that is going on, everyone is sitting twiddling their thumbs, with most unable to even see the drawing as it was hitting the paper. This could, I suppose, possibly break the continuity of the service, and the interest levels of those in attendance, ... and both of those things could lead to a lull in the energy too.

Also, if there was no actual reading with it, some may argue that a likeness of a person is not actual evidence of survival. Actually this is prob more where the churches are coming from at a guess. Guess too, that this may be where some of the debate b/n 'psychic art vs spirit art' may come in to it as well.

Maybe others have whole other idea's to this, but this is what leapt to my mind anyway as potential reasons for some churches to find it an innappropriate form of mediumship for a service.

That said tho, the same would apply to trance writing, etc, ... the evidence might (or might not) come with it, ... but not many would actually want to sit and watch someone up front busy with their pen and paper.

Nat xxx

[Anstar]

Hi Nat,

thanks for your reply, I can understand what your saying about if you just sat and drew a picture and said nothing people would get bored. Saying that however most of the artists I know tend to work alongside another Medium who gives communication whilst they draw. Myself I use an overhead projector so that everyone in the room can see the picture as it's drawn. This usually keeps the congregations attention as they like to see the portrait unfold, whilst this is going on I give off what ever communication I get at the same time or I work alongside another Medium who gives off communication whilst I'm drawing.

What alot of people don't realise because they have not experienced it is that for alot of spirit artists getting communication at the same time as drawing can be very difficult. I have heard it likened to trying to tune one radio to two seperate stations at the same time. It has taken me along time to be able to get information whilst I draw, I've found if I draw a little, talk a little, draw a little etc. it works and seems to keep the congregations attention.

Something else to consider If describing a person, there build and how they looked can be classed as evidence of survival then why cannot an image of that person be classed as evidence. I know there are those out there who say we some how pick up the image from the recipient as in a memory but if that were true it does not explain how we artists can draw the likeness of someone the recipient has never seen yet when they have gone home they have found out who the portrait is of. Another point is picking up an image on a psychic level would not give the ability to draw that image, I myself cannot draw portraits unless I'm linked with spirit and it's not like I haven't tried because I have. Afew times I've tried to sit and draw my children and I simply cannot do it.

Even with all of these things to consider it still does not explain why in the eyes of some we are allowed to work any other day of the week except on a Sunday during a divine service.

luv n light

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[iamannie]

Hi Anstar...
I am totally astounded that Spiritual Art isn't encouraged in the Spiritual Church's. (I gather you are from the UK) as in New Zealand, people can't get enough of them.

I am often asked to work on platfom here in New Zealand in the local Spiritual Services and Centers, many invitations I have to turn down as I am also being a care-giver for two Grandchildren who must come first...

As a Medium, your work would be to prove life after death and what could be a more physical proof than having the actual face of the Loved One in Spirit o placed right into your hands.

I have seen people working with the overhead projectors and they are incredible... I've always worked with an old clipboard and a pencil. Each pic takes about 3 mins to 5 mins to complete, with a reading... which is about the same amount of time given as a Meduim without the artwork
(Have you ever noticed how fast your hands move acorss the paper when you are Channelling art? and you are right about many in this field finding differculty in both giving the reading as well as doing the drawing...
For me, my hand seems to be taken over while I chatter away... is it at all like this for yourself?

I really would love to see your work Anstar... where would I go?
An example of some of my Channelled Art is my avatar. That pic took me 20 minutes and came out through just doodling.

[Anstar]

Hi Iamannie, most of the time us artists are made very welcome in churches here in the UK it is just some people I have come across who don't like psychic art being done on a Sunday as they class that as a Divine service. I personally think that because it gets called psychic art that these people think it is done on a psychic level rather than on a mediumistic one and that is why they have a problem.

I've had a peek at your profile picy it's really very very good and I'd love to see more of your work, you can see some of mine in my album which is under community. I have also started a social group for those interested in spirit and psychic art which you can also find under community too.

It sounds very much like you work just like me as I too come under the classification of control as spirit use my hand to draw with (with my permission of course) I tend to refer to myself as a spiritual fax machine lol. I have to ask (cos I'm nosey lol) are you a trained artist and do you see the spirit to be drawn? I have had no art training beyond the basics some twenty plus years ago and don't see who I am to draw.

I would love to hear more about your work

luv n light

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[iamannie]

Lol Anstar... You made my morning... re your quote: " a spiritual fax machine" unquote. Do you mind if I use that description?

When I work, it has to be by Channel as I am quite long sighted and I can't see what I am drawing properly. When I am channelling and am using glasses, I lose my physical balance and feel like I'm falling sideways. I can only see about 6 feet in front of me clearly... everything in that 6 foot circle is rather fuzzy.

No, I haven't had any training in art although I have always been able to draw (its a strong family gift).
I was kicked out of a competition at 7 because they thought my parents had drawn the picture of my Dad at work. My parents were mortified... I thought it was quite a compliment.
I sold my first picture of Queen Elizabeth the 1st done in oil pastels to my teacher when I was 11 for 5 pounds (a couple of years before dollars and cents came in over here) and if I had have liked him, I would have gladly given it to him... but our personalities clashed somewhat :P... and I worked as a proffessional Portraiture artist for a few years before I discovered Spiritualism.

Re the Spiritual Churches:
Over here in NZ, they are not so old school and orthodox and most definately more relaxed.

Maybe its because England is the birthplace of Spiritualism and the schools are focused on teaching it as is has always been taught from one generations teacher to the next and then the next... while in NZ we have tried to re-create UK's examples of the Spiritual Church, but in not having the guidance or the teachings of the UK's schools or their Teachers, we have seemed to have created a Spiritual Church that is similar but a lot less orthodox in its outlook, but no less the belief in its journey.

I'm off to the community to find some examples of your work... I spent two hours looking around in here yesterday and couldn't find it... LOL... me and computers have a long way to go before we are working as a team

[iamannie]

My album is posted... It has inspired drawings in it as well as examples of Spiritual Portraits done by commission and on platform...
Enjoy (is under me and my art)