[abbondanzieri]

it's perfectly accurate when it's set at that time

:?:

i. don't. believe. you. :roll:

only read about my birthday though

try reading the others. i'll bet they're general enough that they'd be

pretty accurate

too

"You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of youself." etc etc snooze

:wink:

[Empress]

Interesting how this thread sounds like a pro-choice pro-life debate; conception, embryo, fetus, birth?

Your Natal Birth Chart (Astrology Chart) shows where all the planets were positioned when and where you were born, the first moment of independent breath on this planet.

In other words, your Natal Chart is a picture of

What Heaven Looked Like When Heaven Was Looking At You When You Were Born
:wink:
Basic astrology is the science of mathematical angles made from the changing positions of the planets to your Natal Chart.

[abbondanzieri]

i misread your reply and thought you said mathematical angels. it conjured up some strange mental images, i can tell you

oh, and whatever astrology is, it's not a science at all :shock:


[edited for spelling!]

[Empress]

Originally Posted by abbondanzieri

oh, and whatever astrology is, it's not a science at all :shock:

That would depend on what your definition of "science" is.

Websters and Wikipedia's definitions of science sure sound like astrology to me. In the olden days Astronomy and Astrology were both considered the same. One really should have an "understanding" of Astronomy before attempting Astrology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/science

A lot of folks smarter than us throughout history considered it a science like Sir Isaac Newton and many others.

I don't understand why people would conclusively judge things that they've never investigated, don't understand, or have never experienced :wink:

[SemperNox]

I disagree with the concept that you're 'alive' in the womb and 'dying' outside. More accurately, you're 'forming' in the womb, or even on life-support! Once outside the womb, you're still forming, and for the first few months (assuming normal birth) you're still incapable of filtering much or any external information. Also, a healthy body doesn't really start to break-down (start 'dying') until after completion of puberty, or even into the mid-to-late twenties. I consider 'dying' to be the immediate precursor for death; as long as all body functions are operating normally, you're not dying, you're living.

I have also wondered why conception isn't used (besides the difficulty in knowing exactly when the egg starts cellular division.) It would certainly seem more appropriate as conception is the point you first become a genetically distinct individual and have a potential life. Also, how do induced labor, caesarian sections, and extreme premature births affect the zodiac? A premature baby will still be in an artificial womb, protected from pathogens, light, and loud sounds; often even getting nutrients directly into their bloodstream, much like a mother's womb.

Do multiple births (twins, triplets, fertility drug induced septuplets, etc.) all have the same life path due to being born within minutes of each other?

Does the Chinese zodiac factor in at all? What of the discrepencies of the classical Tropical zodiac versus the more astronomically accurate Sidereal zodiac? Do rogue comets (only passing through our solar system once, or once every few thousand years) have any influence? How will the zodiac be affected when one of the stars of a major constellation goes nova?

What happens when (if) humans become a space-faring species and settle other stellar systems with other constellations; will they still follow the classical system (if so, how?) or will a new system need to be invented? Is there any crossover between astrology, palmistry, iridology, and any of the other birth/biometric systems?

I'm very interested in any serious responses. In order to use a system well, one must understand it, and one may only understand what one examines and questions.

[Empress]

I disagree with the concept that you're 'alive' in the womb and 'dying' outside. More accurately, you're 'forming' in the womb, or even on life-support! Once outside the womb, you're still forming, and for the first few months (assuming normal birth) you're still incapable of filtering much or any external information. Also, a healthy body doesn't really start to break-down (start 'dying') until after completion of puberty, or even into the mid-to-late twenties. I consider 'dying' to be the immediate precursor for death; as long as all body functions are operating normally, you're not dying, you're living.

Yes, I agree, after we are born, we are definitely living, growing, evolving... and not dying.

I have also wondered why conception isn't used (besides the difficulty in knowing exactly when the egg starts cellular division.) It would certainly seem more appropriate as conception is the point you first become a genetically distinct individual and have a potential life

We are talking about a Natal Birth Chart. When you are conceived; you are not born yet. Birth and conception have different meanings.

Also, how do induced labor, caesarian sections, and extreme premature births affect the zodiac? A premature baby will still be in an artificial womb, protected from pathogens, light, and loud sounds; often even getting nutrients directly into their bloodstream, much like a mother's womb.

The Natal Birth Chart is calculated on the first moment of breath on this planet regardless of how or when the birth takes place. It is when you are breathing outside of the womb for the first time.
There are Astrological techniques used for projections\predictions such as utilizing the Pre Natal Eclipse, the last Solar Eclipse prior to birth as a sensitive point (works just like a natal planet) and Reverse Progressions, progressing planetary movement backwards prior to birth. I've found Reverse Progressions to confirm Direct Progression.

Do multiple births (twins, triplets, fertility drug induced septuplets, etc.) all have the same life path due to being born within minutes of each other?

Minutes can change the very important personal angles in a Birth Chart. The rising sign (appearance) can be two totally different signs or one chart can make a direct hit with another planet and intensify that planet?s influence where the other chart does not make a direct hit and the planet?s attributes are not as noticeable. Sometimes the charts can have similar potentials but as always, the individual chooses how to utilize the promise of their Natal chart.

Does the Chinese zodiac factor in at all?

The Chinese Zodiac is a 12-year cycle of animals that corresponds to the planet Jupiter which moves through the 12 signs of the (western) Zodiac spending 1 year in each of the 12 signs. The 12 signs of the Zodiac is why we have 12 months in one year. The Chinese New Year is based on the lunar calendar and is determined on the first New Moon ater the Sun leaves the sign of Capricorn thus falling on a different date each year.

What of the discrepencies of the classical Tropical zodiac versus the more astronomically accurate Sidereal zodiac?

I don't consider one method more accurate than another and consider all astronomy\astrology\zodiac etc as tools and interpretations of the person utilizing them. There is only one heaven of constellations for all of us...

Do rogue comets (only passing through our solar system once, or once every few thousand years) have any influence? How will the zodiac be affected when one of the stars of a major constellation goes nova?

These occurrences appear to be indicators of historic events and serve similarly to major planetary configurations that take decades or more to reoccur. Their events affect generations of individuals like the slow moving planets that take many years to move through a sign, known as generational planets.

What happens when (if) humans become a space-faring species and settle other stellar systems with other constellations; will they still follow the classical system (if so, how?) or will a new system need to be invented?

I don't know. I guess some of us may have reason to further our studies.

Is there any crossover between astrology, palmistry, iridology, and any of the other birth/biometric systems?

Yes, I believe they all arrive at the same conclusion or serve as confirmations or 2nd opinions to each other. I've looked into the basics of palmistry, numerology, etc but personally, astrology has been my favorite, perhaps because it is scientific to me. I utilize it for personal guidance and insight and it has been a good friend to me.

It works in terms of timing, just like the seasons... It shows our potentials, talents, strengths and perhaps our weaknesses... but we still make or break our own lives. These tools are heavenly but we are only earthly. Anybody who has truly experienced Astrology will acknowledge its validity but if they are honest; they will also admit its limitations. You cannot play god with it but I and many others have found it be a most valuable tool.

[SemperNox]

Empress, thank you very much for your extremely well thought out and intelligent response. It's rare to find people with such knowledge and patience.