[DaBun]

what does "soz" mean??

[Zeggle]

soz = sorry! not that i needed to use that termonology but decided to out of courtesy and no i'm not upset it just so happens i have a resilience for doom, there is no point crying over spilled milk or the inevitable, now the understanding here is that the opening post is of an autobiographical perception with the emphasise on it being my last of many global event predictions, my calculations are basic options i reckon noboby could disagree with or misunderstand, no doubt we could swap and mix the optons into different scenarios but basically one of those options will become the present.

[Warwick]

Well, no need to worry any more - it blew out a coolant hose and won't be working until next year. Piece of junk...
I must confess, i never was that comfortable with black holes being generated in Europe... or this Solar System really? They say that even if one was made, it'd take a good million years to become dangerous - is that supposed to be reassurance?

[ozlibrary]

I heard that they did the LHC experiment way back.
Now is just for the public opinion...to give them a bone
Relax...if this is our only existence...then it sucks already...so dead doesn't mean anything

[Warwick]

Give them a bone... and explain where all their money has gone! Not cheap, in fact, a potential 'economic black hole' to match the banking system if allowed?

The trouble is, the thing doesn't appear to DO anything - no great rocket engines blasting into space, just a great mass of cables, pipes and wires buried underground, with all the 'works' hidden from view by necessity and thick lead walls. Manned by some of the most unglamorous, anorak clad geeks in the world of science - high energy physicists are not generally renowned for their charm, dash and 'media friendliness'.

Still, they were intending to run it up to hull bore on the first attempt, rather than put a 3A fuse in the plug to be on the safe side... and nothing went BIG bang.... so we should be okay? Fingers crossed....

[painintheneck]

If people mess with the earths magnetic force. every atom in spirit may mess with it . especially when the world as a whole did not know where there money was being spent. Ive saw past the year 2070. Ive travelled in spirit with guides all the way through our visible black whole and out the other side. every answer in the universe is within our own self, nothing is done for nothing even if there a waste of time. I personally believe if the world were given a vote on to carry on or not, the odds would be very highly stacked against them.

[windigo]

There are some quite detailed documentaries on string theories, the collider, etc » www.sprword.net

Few main points to make about black holes. 1) they pull in matter but radiate the shreaded material back into space as radiations (especially cosmic radiation) It is basically God's recycling program 2) a black hole is basically a neutron star that is massive (and dense) enough that the acceleration IN is greater than the "speed of light" but the fact that more energetic forms of electromagnetic energy DOES escape (cosmic and gamma radiation) it calls into question the "speed of light" speed limit. 3) even if they could generate a baby singularity, it would wink out of existance almost immediatly. It wouldn't have the MASS in it's core that a stellar black hole does. It might make a room go POOF tho :P

As for the Psionic shielding, realize this device is sealed in TONS of lead and concrete. It is generating EM fields that are like 5000 times the magnitude of the planet....... It would take a lot of psionic energy to penetrate that much concerted power and shielding.

I hate to sound somewhat skeptical, but I'm sure the gov'ts that have invested in this thing have their Psi-ops units shielding it too........ But that is a topic for the conspiracy thread.........

Personally, I would be more worried about HAARP than the collider.

[Warwick]

Hmmm... I thought HAARP finished many years ago (a project designed to - hopefully - fire objects into space using a gun battrel rather than pocketry)? Might well have worked, providing you didn't need anything that worked to be put in orbit, only cannon *****... rather pointless?

The 'black hole' is often misunderstood I think, thanks to Star Trek and Hollywood. There is no chance of 'passing through' one... we've all seen it, a rough ride, but a good pilot with nerves of steel can get the ship through with only a couple of ariels missing and some scratched paint... I think nor! As you say, a mighty, atom smashing gravitational 'crusher', in which even protons, neutrons and electrons are broken, and their component parts 'rearranged'.

To create a tiny (presumably sub-atomic?) one, a great quantity of matter has to be squashed into an incredibly tiny space, using enormous energy to overcome the natural repulsion all the little bits have to each other... I presume? The glib reassurances of those who designed, and those working with the LHD (whose interests are presumably as selfish as everone elses in the end?), will have to do I'm afraid. Even so, I'm not sure I dully approved of the attitude of one, who, when describing what would happen (or more pointedly *wouldn't happen*) were a mini-black-hole to be created, offered certain reassurances which -to me - seemed to show a lack of care, and a distict lack of vision. He said, no doubt accurately, that such a thing wouldn't even be noriced, and wouldn't increase un size (as black holes tend to do) until it sucked in a photon or two, which probably wouldn't happen due to chance for many thousands of years. Of course, each time it did this, it (and I presume its little 'event horizon') would grow slightly, until "after maybe a million yeats.." it began to become a nuisance...

Now, I'm the sort of chap who seldom plans anything more than a few days (or even hours!) ahead, but for some reason 'a million years' sounded a little close for comfort all of a sudden... who knows what or who might be 'inconvenienced' by such a thoughtless and dangerous legacy? I suppose the answer would be from most people 'it won't bother us?', just as it usually is.... or the other 'standard dismissal' "no worries, technology will be so advanced by then, they'd laugh at such concerns!".... I wonder how many Victorians said the same sort of thing when concern was expressed about the pollution caused by coal?

In fact, having recently seen the film 'Time after Time', far-dighted men of science and imagination like HG Wells really did think that by the third millenium we would all be sitting tound writing poetry and discussing philosophy, having conquered disease, poverty and crime, and seen the futility of war and violence, and abandoned them long ago. How wrong he was... though he did forsee the advent of air warfare, and alien invasions... even so, how disappointed he must be?

I always thought that one of the greatest curses anyone could be inflicted with was the ability to see into the future. Whatever you 'foresaw', you would (by default) be unable to prevent or avoid, which would be agonising! Winning the lottery every week would not help for long, if you knew what you were going to do with the money and had no chance to change anything... no surprises, good or bad, nobody to meet you didn't know about alteady... horrifying really. Not even the chance to plan a splendid funeral after your inevitable death, or even kill yourself to avoid the event if you wished to, in your inevitable despair. In legend, Odin apparently never smiled again after purchasing the gift of foresight, paying for the dubious privelidge with one of his eyes... the worst bargain ever?

[windigo]

HAARP isn't a space gun. I have no clue where you got that but shows you did not research the topic......

HAARP is an array of high powered antenna that bounce Electromagnetic energy off the EM field of the Earth. This energy supposedly is used to look for mineral deposits deep in the earth. The problem is that some feel that it is also a weapon of massive power and scale. A few even theorized that the tsunami a few years ago was a test firing of the device.

There are documentaries on this ;

http://www.sprword.com/videos/holesinheaven/
www.freedocumentaries.com

As for Odin, the reason he made the deal was to try and save Balder from Fenres the wolf. He did save him but by altering the "future" he condemned himself at ragnorak to die in baldar's place.

Very few visions of the future are set in stone. Most are forked prophesies and not linear. How can they be when time itself is not linear ??

[Warwick]

Whoops... wrong HARP - High Altitude Research Project. Basically, blasting away with gigantic connons to try and acheive orbit... never got near of course. Probably great fun to watch though.

I have come across the one you mentioned, careless of me to confuse them... missed the extra 'A'! IIRC, the real purpose of HAARP is somewhat vague, although it clearly wasn't cheap and required substantial funding. Heving worked with radio and electronics all my life, I can't really believe such a device could be effectively used for such a purpose as 'prospecting' - satellites are obviously a far better option? I can't see it causing a tsunami either, or the submarine multiple Teraterawatt earthquake which caused it... unless it is rather more than it appears to be?

Attempts to fiddle with the ionosphere are nothing new, back in the 1960's someone decided it would be a good idea to 'improve' Mother Natures provision (and thus SW and low VHF radio communication) by pepping up its reflective qualities with a cloud of tiny copper needles. These were delivered by a rocket, and caused what could have been a terrible disaster, punching a great hole in the ionosphere - which of course protects us from deadly solar radiation, and without which life would probably never have formed on this planet, and would be impossible to continue for almost all species, especially ours. Fortunately things recovered fairly quickly, but it should have been a salutory lesson in the dangers of meddling with our surprisingly delicate, and finely balanced environment.

You've got me interested again Windigo, I'm off to have another look...

As for time not being linear, that's a fascinating subject I was thinking about the other day. As the fourth dimension, we (in this present form) are dependent on all four to exist... with no depth, or breadth or height, we would be infinitely 'flat', 'thin' or small, therefore 'theoretically absent'. Likewise with time, if we only existed for an infinitely short time, we would 'never be'... and therefore never really exist. Unlike the three 'geometrical' dimensions, time seems to progress in a certain 'direction' (i.e. the future) at an apparently steady, fixed rate of one second per second - if that makes any sense? Whether it actually does or not is hard to say... some reckon it 'passes' in tiny, undetectable 'quantum steps' rather than running smoothly forward, which means there is a certain limit to an event occuring.

This is heady stuff, as if you consider what would happen were you to move 'out of step with normal time', and either stop, accelerate, or be moving into the future at the 'normal rate, yet be a short while 'out of step' (behind or ahead), you would never be seen, known or detected... or would you? If 'ahead', you could affect tings... at this point my brain starts to ache a little. Even more 'food for thought'?