[Sy]

well dream there are several rational explainations to these black shadows.
i used to think i saw them too hunnie.
there is sleep paralysis,there is light comeing in from outside creating shadows,there is also the fact that our minds are very powerful and when there is fear added to the equation then it alters the experience.
the mind can creat things that look and feel real dream.we cant jsut blame evil black spirits for rational explanations babes.
it is fear that creates these things not spirit.
like i said if it feel good it is spirit
if it doesnt then its your mind.
love and bright blessings to you .
Sy xxx

[keele]

The advice given to you above is all sound...so DON'T panic !, first take comfort in the fact that you are not alone in your experiences...and that is important, plus, remember the fact that you first had these odd "experiences" when you were 15 (that is growing up fast...developing mentally, physically...and of course spiritually) and this does has some relevance I suspect.

As for "shadowy figures"....well in truth it's so very scary at the time...in the dark....but actually it is rather like seeing "faces in the wallpaper", for do remember at night you are actually "tired"....but still your mind still races (look at the eyes of someone in "rem" sleep - their eyes rapidly moving about under closed eyelids - overactive !), thus it only takes a little imagination and you can really believe you saw "someone"there.....

I recall that once awoke to feel a "lifeless arm" on me...It was **** scary...for a moment, then I realised I had been laying in an awkward position...it was MY arm with my circulation cut off (hence I awoke !)...but for a second it really scared the hell out of me....

while "sounds" at night get over-amplified, plus oddly "distorted" and can be thrown around in odd "Acoustic shadows" - for instance,say, fireworks going off may sound at the back of your house....but then you see they are in the front etc.......and remember too how when wood contracts in the colder night tempratures it makes a succession of noises at EXACTLY the same rate as "footsteps" (one of nature's little "Ghost Jokes" !)...thus we "hear" a "man coming"...but normally it is a wood joice contracting !....and again a lively imagination does the rest....

Also periferal vision...as a lovely lady in "Specsavers" told me, contains areas of the eye where the optic nerve sometimes causes "Flashes" of light....(another of nature's little "Ghost Jokes" again)...thus for any number of reasons a "White lady" can suddenly appear....well you get a quick "flash" of white out of the corner of the eye...
and then later get told: ".....She died in that room..." - see what I mean ?

So after eliminating ALL that....we then get down to when you KNOW that you are wide awake and DID see something....
- Did anyone else "see" anything in that room ...?, does it have a "history", ?.....
and did you learn of any "history" before or after your first experiences......?

It IS possible, as someone above said, that you ARE indeed "Psychic"....and these were your first "awakenings" of such abilities...
I'm certainly NOT judging you in any way...or trying to tell you it was all a "Dream" etc...
to you it was VERY real I am certain....and certainly could well have happened - remember no one can ever "Prove" a negative....we can offer possible explantions...or things you might have mis-intepreted...but no one can prove you did NOT have these experiences...just as you tell us (so no one is "doubting" you at all I can assure you)

Were you stressed in any way at these times...? (I get migraines....**** things...even when I am "stressed" but DON'T realise it...!), try to bear all these things in mind, before you assume it's a crowd of "Ghosts" or "spirits" on a visit....Not that it wasn't of course....

Hope that this is of some help in clarifying your experience...and hope you can get a decent nights sleep now !

[ciane]

I believe the entity or entities you saw as dark forms wanted to either give you a message, help in some way, or find out something. As you were frightened, and closed down; the entities no longer let you know of their presense. You may simply project thoughts that you are no longer afraid and wish to open communication. You may also ask for help in communicating effectively with them from the universe/angels/where ever you draw strength outside and inside your self.

[stargemmer]

I'm interested to see that on this forum no one has given you the explanation I would expect from such a site as this. I know Psyches (Psychiatrists, psychologists) give this the expanation of sleep paraolysis, as you'll find on the net, but psyches are almost invariably matereialists and deny the idea of a spirit (it's all chemicals, and genes and the brain).

There are alternative explanations to "sleep paralysis" and the entities you are experiencing.

Read the book on Page 6 of this link, to get the gist:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/reader/00...3D#reader-page


I would think the same as most of these psych explanations if I hadn't experienced this myself, many years ago while I was reading this book by Sylvan Muldoon called "The Projection of the Astral Body". This is a fascinating book by this renound paranormal investigator, who conducted many experiments into Astral Projection during the early 20th Century, and has been the foremost expert on it since.

Sleep paralysis occurs in one of the first stages of Astral Projection, although I'm not saying ALL paraylysis is this, I believe many such experiences are just this - the person is just in/ just out of the body and going through that stage. Muldoon calls this "astral catalepsy"
While I was reading the book, and doing exercises to try to Astrally project in the 1980s, I went through a stage of sleep paralysis while waking in a half-sleep state, and then becoming fully awake but paralysed. This happened several times, and later got brave enough to just wait and not panic during paralysis, and I went into the other stages of Astral Projection in the book: severe vibrations up & down the body (sometimes pins & needles), zig-zagging, then loud noises like a roaring sound in the ears, followed by a split second blackout as you go out of the body, -and then I was out, unsteady, perceptions a bit clouded, odd visual colourations, and as I moved away from the body sort of "floating" I found myself in a ghost-like state, then I saw the whole bedroom and tried to move toward the door, reached for the handle & my "hand" went straight through it! I looked back at my body on the bed (it looked sort of vegatative, like some sleeping bodies do). As I got away from the body, I could hear better & my perception cleared up - but then eventually I did freak out and dived back into it again! Needless to say, as I went back in I experienced the same stages of blackout/roaring/vibration/paralysis etc.

Happened several times and then I packed it in, as at the time I didn't know where it was leading to & was somewhat alarmed at this new reality hitting me so hard. But I assure you I was as shocked as anyone would be to find it does happen, and is real, - whereas until the point I experienced it this was just some sort of idea or fiction in this interesting bu slightly unbelievable book.
But, due to my own experiences, I sincerely believe this may be what was happening to you. When you are "out" or partially out, it's possible to perceive a lot of things with other senses that are otherwise obscured by the massy body, so it may be you were perceiving these entities that way. There is one theory in Aldous Huxley's "Doors of Perception" that the body's 5 senses are just a protection filter to lessen your perception, so you only get as much sensation as you need, and don't get overwhelmed by the huge quantity of other perceptions otherwise naturally available without a body. Not sure about that last one myself, but it is one theory to ponder on.

This is just one theory of sleep paralysis, and as I know for myself it is true from my own personal experience, I am always very suspicous of materialists & "scientists" who try to explain away something intrinsically spiritual as all to do with the brain or chemicals, or something preaching the line that you are just so much animated meat. Of course this most bizarre & obviously spiritual phenomena described by you would be explained as "sleep paraylsis" by them, as you are getting just a little too close to the truth for their comfort. My cynical view!

By the way, in this book Muldoon also gives solutions of how to break the paralysis and tune it down if you don't like it. I recommend it. I've had this paralysis and such experiences happen to me several times since then over the years, and have used techniques in this book to get back in control of things and break the paraylsis when I wanted to.

[Nat]

Hi Stargemmer,
As you have said, not all episodes of SP mean you are going to Astral Project, and yes it does often (not always tho) happen before one does project, but the SP and the AP are two separate things. SP is SP whether it continues on to an AP or not. Some people not believing in spirit or that it can springboard you in to an AP, does not negate the SP aspect being what it is in itself, nor that people can perceive things in that state, whether they continue on to another or not.

Liked your split second black out on exit comment - yup, I get that too - seems to me like the hundredth of a second in which your conscious is shifting from the physical body to the astral body. I don't tend to read too much on AP's/Obe's, - initially it was coz I did not want someone else's experiences to color my own, but now I have enough experiences to make my own mind up about the what's and why's, it is just coz most books are boring 'how to' books and have no nitty gritty anyway. Nice when you hear tho of something you have been independently (of any influence) experiencing being reiterated else where.

Nat xxx

[stargemmer]

Hi Nat,
Yes, I agree that not all SP will lead to AP, but it has been typically ignored as a main issue over recent years. Mainly by the sort of folk who will do anything to stop an outlook that you are anything other than an animated piece of meat, & who are terrified of their own or anyone else's spirituality.

I know many with such experiences will not post such on a website like this, for fear of invalidations, or contrary experiences, or being accused of psychosis. It's also an intensely personal thing in itself. But I decided it was time to say these things if only for the benefit of those who are getting them now, & are being told lies about it or believe they are deluded(the ones who are going through an AP process, and are having genuine perceptions as part of this).

It's also true as you say that not all will experience the same - Muldoon himself goes into this very point about the variable accounts of what happens. In my case I did get exactly the same phenomena as Muldoon.

Incidentally, one doesn't have to do this whole AP thing to get out of the body, ie; one doesn't have to occupy the Astral body to be "out", as the spirit is totally weightless, unmeasurable, has no wavelength at all in its true essence, and is simply occupying the astral (when in the Astral) in the same way it occupies the physical. True exteriorization I have experienced 100s if not 1000s of times over the last 25 years, and with this (for those able to, and anyone can ultimately do it), one simply moves out without any mass attached, - just yourself as an "awareness of awareness unit", -the being himself who is aware of being aware. The command "Just be 3 feet back of your head!" will often work with many people, and bang they are out. This is much less dramatic /violent and one tends to have better perception & ability.
But Astral Projection is an adventurous and dramatic phenomenon, and is fascinating.

[noreen]

hi max..i remember having a dream , well to me it was an nightmare..it woke me up and i was unable to move or scream as it was stopping me, i was paralized, i put it down to my sleep pattern as i used to sufer from insomnia, but this 'thing' spoke to me, when i say 'thing'...to me it looked like the grim reaper and it give me a warning .. i went to my spiritual church and they said it was sleep paralysis....im not saying it was an warning to you, but who was that in my bedroom....that happend to me 2 years ago x

[billythefox]

personally.....i think you should maybe get checked out for mental health issues......just to rule out the possibility of the onset of schizophrenia.

[noreen]

hi billy i can asure you that i dont have any of thoes problems, love noreen xx

[happytobme]

i had experiences like yours when i was alot younger. always at night and i could not speak or move. after a couple of years it went away and i was never "visited" again. i have no explanation for this..