[Pigface]

I think we do have free will, but I stumbled across an interesting theory about dharma.
Dharma stems from Bhuddhism and hinduism, and if i remember correctly other religions too, as such it has varied precise meaning, but one that caught my eye was:

Dharma is your natural path through life that is planned out before you are born, but it is an optional choice, by choosing this, your progress through life will meet with less resistance.

(thats a rough quote,and i cannot remember exactly where i heard it)

This struck a chord with me, and seems to make sense, meaning that there is indeed freewill, but also there are very basic plans laid out for us.
If this is the case, then those that predict could possibly be somehow picking up on the "dharma" of a person, and using this as a basis of prediction.

However I personally do not believe that to be the case, I think prediction is simply impossible psychically.Some may now think of people such as Nostrodamus, but i have found the ones who mention him say he specifically said this and that etc etc......when I looked at his exact wordings on his "famous" predictions on the net, I found that due to the change of language use over the centuries, his words could so easily be "made to fit".
His predictions were really quite vague, and over a few hundred years it is inevitable that these predictions could fit a lot of major eventys from past present and I expect, the future too.

I believe those who succesfully predict events,do so out of coincidence, nothing more.

If i were to believe for a minute that prediction was entirely possible, then I would worry about people living their lives at the advice of (usually) complete strangers.....that to me sounds dangerous and daft.

I do believe that spirit may have a broader view of thing from where they are, so they probably can predict to a certain extent, but would they be allowed to tell us too much for it would infringe upon our freewill by affecting our own decisions.
We are after all here to learn, not to be guided through every double parked road and lottery ticket

Anyway, sorry for going on...but I definately do believe we have free will wether or not we have an underlying design, and i definately do NOT believe a psychic can predict.

[Pigface]

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[chp]

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[chargrill]

without being arrogant i can predict the future, well i can and i can't, I hve pre-cog dreams. Though they are never very relevant they are very accurate. but what has always confused me about them is the concept of free will because when i first got them i just accepted them but as i grew older i stated thinking what about free will so when i had the pre cog dreams i'd start arguing with myself in the dream which of course led to me looking crazy when the future situation came around. at the end of the day i could of probably said something different from what i did in the dream but i could never remember any part of the dream until i had lived it out so i didnt know what i dreamt i said next until i said it then remembered it. hope you all followed that. as for free will in this i always felt like i was just watching in the dream so i think that i had free will i was just watching what my free will had resulted in. anyways like i said it doesn't really matter cause the dreams are never really relevant anyway except from the odd times when i meet people before i meet them.

well i hope that meant something, i ended up confusing myself so if it confuses you just avert your eyes and scroll down to the next post i wont mind. errm i guess i'll finish

byes

[jacquit]

Well, this is a difficult one to answer, "Do psychics predict the future?" only to a certain extent, i think they can pick up on what is happening around you for that moment, then predict what will happen if you stay on that particular pathway, but, yes i think you also have free will because if you don't want that prediction to come in then you just change your pathway. If we didn't have free will then would we learn the lessons that we come come here for?
Jacqui

[Anne57]

Originally Posted by Sibyl

If we go back to the first post:

I am of the opinion that psychics pick up on a future where the wheels are already in motion for that particular future to happen and the 'sitter' is carrying that information on his/her auric field. They can also pick up on the 'sitters' wishes of how they would like their future to be? There are so many imponderables and unknowns, I think claiming to foresee the future is very arrogant and even spirit tell us they can only see a little way forward.

I also do not believe in Free Will - not in the absolute. I think we have choices otherwise there would be no point in living (God could play with automatons) but I do not believe we have total free will.

I think I am with Sibyl on this one, I think we do have choices but often even though we have made these choices things happen that lead us along another route. In my own life I have made plans to go along a certain avenue, but things have happened to make me take another route, if I had not taken that route the other things that have fallen into my place would not have happened. Others may disagree, but I don't think it is all coincidence.

[Anne57]

I don't really have any personal experience to add, only that my mother tells me she had her hand read before I was born, she was not only given my initial in her hand but she was also given the initials of my children, whose names I thought my husband and I had chosen ourselves in this lifetime here on earth.

However, I have just been reading a book which suggests that we do have Free Will. Although a bit further into the book it discusses that "we" decide how our lives on earth will be before we are born into the physical world, it suggests that we choose our parents, eye and hair colour etc. It also says that we choose our eventual exit out of the physical world. It actually says that when we chart our lives we give five potential exits, and that we choose the exit to take when we have learned all we need to in this world.

So now I am wondering if maybe I did choose my childrens names but could it have been even before I came to earth and also am wondering if all the choices we make will take us to our same destination but just on a different route to get to it, and that part of us is just unaware or unconscious of decisions we are making.
Anyway, these are just a few of my thoughts, sorry if I have rambled and am not making much sense.

[butterfleye]

will is wheel (a steering wheel of course), we must follow a path or maybe cut a direction out of the wilderness if we want. we can deliver will and join a convoy, we can make joint decisions and we can try to lead. in any case the future depends on everything. we are probably not aware of all the options that are available. and of the impact and the consequences of certain actions. i have visions, i can see possibilities but those are just that, possibilities. i, however, can chose an outcome then ask for guidance to get there, having stated my intention and level of commitment. to give it all means there's no more else. this is how to get there.

[KannyBairn]

:?

Hummm

That's a good question - When it's put like that I'm not really sure.

I wonder if we have to talk about Material and spirit in seperate terms to discuss this one!

Being a Spiritualist myself I've been taught that there is freewill choice as it's part of the path of learning. But we also say that the God Power simply has to be accepted like a child would accept the ruling of a father. That's not really freewill choice if you think about it; that's blind acceptance. If you can't question or wouldn't even dream to question; you may be don't actually have freewill and simply do the bidding of the God Power naturally.

Positive or Negative effect felt both spiritually and physically being the cause of your actions upon anything you personally have done or thought. I could see freewill in that equasion in a material sense. You then learn if the outcome was comfortable or painful and if it is the latter; wouldn't do it again if you don't want to be hurt.

That's the wrong explanation too "To do the God Powers Bidding." What I've felt is that it is so gentle it does not demand anything at all it simply gives with love in you ask in the right way without demaning and in the right frame of mind. The only limitation I sense as being how well you've learned or evovled to assimulate this beautiful energy or life giving force. But you can't ever use it for anything less than it is or you change it through your own negativity.

I'm wondering if freewill choice has more to do with positive or negative energies. You can choose to do good or bad. I don't believe their is a "Devil" in the biblical sense. Just positive and negative universal energies. That I think that gives us Magnatisum (the push and pull that keeps the universe together) but don't quote me on that unless you research the idea for yourself because I'm no scientist.

In fact the word "FREE" might be wrong too...

Nothing is free; we learn only by hard effort that is earned. Unless you can assimulate knowledge into your being and simply accept it for it is, I think we just have to learn the hard way.

So Ultimately I'd assume if you talk about positive and negative energies we do have personal choice in that we can choose to either be positive or negative beings; assimulating and sharing and living within our respective energies - we evolve materially and spiritually by our actions through cause and effect laws of nature....If those laws hold true in both spheres of existance and who knows if that is so? No me for sure.

Or am I talking a whole lot of tosh

[iamuurme]

I believe the question that must be adressed is What are we considering that we are free from?
There is a Universal Law that applies to all in this realm and we cannot escape that Law. The illusion is that we create our future when in actuality we only have one of two choices that we can make. Positive or Negative.
As individual selves we practice on a moment to moment bases. We make choices all the time but those choices consist of only two outscomes...Positive experience and Negative experience. Which are always pointing us to the Positive.
If we choose the Negative Choice we suffer without a doubt in one form or another we cannot escape the Purpose of the universal Law. Which teaches us to make the positive choice by allowing us the freedome to choose..
Even the negative choice is governed by the Universal Law which is GOOD.
On the Grand Scheme of things our little life choices that we make at any given moment may not seem to make a difference, but little do we know...the Power that we have in a collective will.
As we become better and better with our choices and experience what it feels like to align with the Universal Law , we begin to prefeer it and make conscious choices to experience the positive even to the point of sharing this new found way with others who may not know how to experience it but choose to want to experience it.
Our Collective Choice to Choose Positive over Negative projects out into the Universe and the Universe fulfills our desire and Will which ultimately tells the Universe that we can Know Good and choose to Be Good and Do Good... The oppisite is also possible but we have evolved through trial and error but within Purpose
So my answer is yes we can experience Free Will and do but it is only within the parameter of Universal Purpose that we do so... We do choose which of the two types of experience we want to have the rest are just our choices manifesting in our lives through cause and effect.
I have so enjoied answering this question it has lit a fire that keps my light burning bright... Thak you for asking it.
much love....iamuurme