[mike1965]

Hi

Sorry for the morbid title but it really does puzzle me.

As a train driver with some experience of people jumping in front, yes suicide is horrible and the persons doing it are reprehensible for the damage to those unconnected with them they cause.
I see that clearly.

Right, when my wife died, every fibre of me wanted to follow her, seemed exactly the thing to do.
Life without her would be impossible and pointless (still feels like that.)

So, get her funeral sorted out and honour her as she deserved then, simply follow, after all if she had moved to the other side of the world, I would have followed without question, even if on hands and knees.

But, according to several mediums that have brought her to me, she was very cross at my idea and told me not to be so stupid and that if I did kill myself then we would still not be back together as there are apparently 'rules' over there and you don't necessarily 'thrive in spirit' if you take this action.

Hmmm looks like rules and regulations are eternal then

OK, I have accepted this for now, but then that brings me to my main question.

Why, is terminating your own life so very bad?

After all, many people now consider assisted suicide if they are terminally ill or just facing years of suffering.
Are they also condemned for not living out their planned life of misery?

What about those cultures that consider taking their own life as honourable?

If we are all spirit, why does this earthly existence matter so much?
Why would we be punished if we can't take the burdens loaded on us here and seek a way back to god and our loved ones?

Maybe those mediums are wrong? after all they seem to be wrong about me getting direct contact with my wife?

OK, seriously I won't kill myself lol but I am very interested in the dynamics behind this question.

Thanks

Mike

[AMP]

Have you ever thought, Mike, that you still have work to do here? I firmly believe that before we come into the physical world we make plans for what we want to achieve whilst we are here. When our work is done then we can go home to spirit. If we cut our lives short then how can we achieve all we set out to achieve? Just for now at least, you are meant to remain here and try to progress your soul in whatever way you can. Mike, have you thought about grief counselling at all? I know it can be very helpful and may be just what you need right now.


AMP xxxx

[annie1]

Hi Mike,

I think many people have posed this question through out time. It's a question that has a lot of answers depending whom you ask. Ask it to 5 people and you will get 10 answers...lol I suppose we all have our own personal opinions how we feel about this subject.

I also have my own "personal opinion" in regard to it. I feel as tho since we all do have our own free will and choice, that also goes for in the spirit dimension as well, not just in a human life, that we also have the right to punish our own selves after leaving this human body. What i mean by that, is perhaps we could ( after leaving this body and passing over to spirit dimension) realize that what we did, was possibly not the best choice we could have made for ourselves and feel regret or a great amount of pain in our own suffering that we linger in those emotions for however long we feel that we may need to even in spirit. Again, please do remember, this is not an exact science, this is only my opinion.

I feel as tho, we have free will and choice for so many reasons...and in those reasons, we are able to experience different options. I am not sure if we could ever say which option would be the best solution, i guess it depends on how we handle the situation and our "emotional stability" within those options. If option A is to find a route that allows me to experience something different and learn to endure an emotional pain and find a way to move through the emotional pain, and option B is to take my own life and never look beyond the emotional pain, and option C was to live the emotional pain and stay in this human body and be an emotional vegetable, then I would have to say that option A would be the more appealing to me then those other options, however, again, that is my own personal choice.

Option A would allow me the opportunity to find ways to over come my suffering even when I might not see a way through it at the moment. There is this little word that has a large great meaning... and that word is "hope". If I knew that I lost a loved one and I felt like I could not live on any longer and i felt that it would be best to take my own life so i could be with my loved one in spirit... who is to say, once I got to spirit, I emotionally felt that I had shamed myself and felt that I needed to dwell in those emotions and so therefore taking the risk of not being able to see my loved one for however long it took me to overcome this stage of emotions ( even in spirit ) since I would have free will and choice to do this if i so felt it necessary. What have i then accomplished... nothing! I would still be without my loved one as I would be basking in such emotional distress ( from my own free will and choice) that I accomplished nothing until i was able to see a glimpse of hope somehow.

This is the best way I know how to express my own idea's about this subject. There may be some that agree with these thoughts and some who may not. The wonderful thing about evolving in our own spirit while living in a human form, is the ability to have free will and choice and thought!

Annie xxxxx

[mike1965]

Hi, thanks.

Yes I am having counselling.

Interesting thoughts there! ABC LOL

But, with so many mediums in contact with spirit, why don't they ask spirit for the definitive answer, after all they have a clear view of it all unlike us who must muddle by in the half light of life?

Not sure how many mediums read this, but if you are one could you ask your guides or spirit people for the answer here?

Hope this thread grows, I am very interested in the outcomes

[missyt78]

Hi Mike

Im so sorry for your devastating loss. I will send you lots of healing and love in my prayers.

I really dont know the answer to this question, but i do know that when we are given the beauty of life we should embrace and learnf from every second we have living within it.

I know that life is cruel and some people are dealt more pain. anguishand suffering than others. It is unjustified and cruel and we question what is the greater meaning.. why would god put us through this, If there is a god?? We all have these thoughts at some poin in our lives.

What i do know is that as a physical being we are given the use of a vessel which we can use to live and breathe the air in the in this realm. We are faces with challenges and dilemas all which we gain learning and knowledge to enable us to grow spiritually, so we are prepared for the next part of our journey. If we did not face tradgedy, death & despair... we would not learn.. in a world without these our journey would be meaningless.

I have had many friends over the years who have used suicide to move from this life to the next, it takes exceptional strenght and courage in their darkest hours. It leaves pain and questions behind, answers we never get.

I think that possiably by taking our own lives we are throwing in the towel in terms of our spiritual journey.. the things we are sent here to learn about we give up on. We take away the last of the god given process and disregard it. I can see why it is frowned on by those who have passed over/in the spiritual realms. When those who have passed wish for is one more second in the physical to tell their loved ones all the things they never got to say, to hold them close for a second longer.

Maybe the mediums you had contact with did have your wife there for you, or maybe they were just praying on your greif, but either way, im sure your wife would wish you a long and worthwhile journey into spirit. where im sure she will be waitin for you, with all those others who have passed.

I assume there will also be rules and regulations in spirit..and how and what quailfies you to be part of the welcomed commuinty. I dont think we would get off lightly in the next world.. again another step forward in our spiritual journey

Mike. i hope you find all the answers you are looking for and please remember that those in spirit are only a thought away. Waiting and listening for us asking them into our lives.

Love and light.

Nikki.x

[SemperNox]

Without going into detail and debating dubious points already made; I propose there are only two reasons suicide is "bad." First, the negative impact the suicide has on friends, loved ones and the people who find and/or clean up the mess ... this can be largely circumvented with honest discussion (of course including the obligatory psychological counseling) and choosing a non-violent method. Second, the emotional state-of-mind the victim is in when they exit mortality may leave a negative psychic imprint in the surrounding area (if one believes such things are possible) and the reasons or emotions may chain the soul to this realm or otherwise prevent immortal progression or going to where they're "supposed" to be (again, if one believes such things.)

[mike1965]

Thanks for the kind words and for adding to this discussion.

Yes, I can see that we may 'cheat' the grand plan, but what if the plan has gone wrong?

And a very good point regarding the loved ones left behind!
This formed a big argument for my staying here.

I really hope we get some insight from spirit about this on here.
Mediums I have asked always seem uncomfortable with answering the question based on spirit.

I don't understand why.

Thanks again, very interesting.

[annie1]

I don't know, mike, maybe that is the whole point and answer right there....there is no one answer.. the answer is upon us individually and if we are able to look beyond our own scopes and realize that we do not make these type of decisions without affecting others in our lives. Then you have to ask yourself about compassion in the whole grand scheme of things. Is compassion allowing those we love and leave behind in turmoil of non self inflected pain compassionate, or perhaps thinking they can deal with it and will be just fine even tho we may not know the outcome to that answer, would that be compassionate? There are so many variables to the equation.

If i were to look at this on a balanced scale of logic...(I would think, personally, there is no right nor wrong answer, it falls back to what you are able to deal with emotionally, and then emotionally after wards, in spirit, and are you willing to leave your loved ones left behind in emotional turmoil without their consent to do so.

Perhaps those are the answers that lie in the answers. I don't think we will ever know one true exact answer, as I think we all have our own emotional and non emotional opinions about it.

Also...(in my opinion) in regard to your question about mediums receiving answers directly from spirit about this subject.. this has already been done many many times under mediumship, however, with that being said, you also have to take into consideration ( well I take into consideration that is) the person who is interpreting the communication as a medium. Are they adding in their own ideals and concepts to the communication. Could they have misinterpreted a piece of the communication and advised differently then what was actually being portrayed.

Look how many times we have received information and how many people latched on to it only to realize that the communication had a missing pieces to the puzzle... and yet.. maybe there are many pieces that fit the puzzle at different times in our lives.

I think there is basic spiritual laws that all existence adheres to. I don't know what all those laws are..but I am sure they are simplistic in nature, yet defined.

Maybe with your search for answers, you will pop up with many, mike... and what a blessing that would be.

annie xxxx

[mike1965]

Hi Annie

All you say makes sense and yes we have to consider those left behind.

But, for the sake of this debate let us assume that those left behind understand the reason a person wants to die. It will end dreadful suffering, and while they will be sad for the loss they accept it as best for the person.

After all, we have been making this choice for animals kept as pets for years.

So if we take that out of the equation.

A person dies by their own hand or instruction.

What is waiting for them?

Instant reincarnation? purgatory? shame? earth bound? or compassion and understanding?

Cheers

Mike

[gazzAB]

imo

when we pass irrespective how

we are helped and assisted in spirit by spirit to come to terms and move on to develop .

There is no punishment or recriminations, no held in limbo or earthbound at all never mind for those who have taken their own lives.