[Tidus873]

OK, I have venus and mercury in libra, does that mean that when saturn enters libra next year I'll have hard times in relationships and communication and stuff?

[astrologer50]

yes of course when transiting Saturn goes into Libra everyone with Libran planets will be affected. Again, it takes 2 1/2years for Saturn to go through a sign and through a house. These things are meant to challenge us all at certain times in our lives. Again Saturn wants us to Work hard, learn our Lessons be stable responsible. Saturn is the Lord of Karma and master teacher, but really he is teaching us about ourselves. What is valid for you at this point in your life, if it is valid it may go through a period of readjustment and make it stronger, but if it has outlived its usefulness then may well break.
Saturn will rebuild, but not as it was before, it has to be different, you will have had to Learn the Lessons.......

Transiting Saturn on Venus - see Robert Hands explanation;
SATURN CONJUNCT VENUS
This transit will have a strong effect on your relationships with others. Relationships that are solidly based will go through a period of testing and examination during which you and your loved ones and friends will become increasingly concerned about what is valid between you. A weak and unstable relationship will go through the same process, but you are more likely to conclude that it is not worth preserving. Consequently at this time the relationships that have no purpose or that have outlived their purpose in your life will be cut off. Often you will be ?reluctant to let go of them.

Even in the best of circumstances you are likely to withdraw from others. During this time you have to evaluate who you are, what your individuality consists of and how all of these fit into your relationships with other people, particularly loves ones. You may come to some harsh realisations about your relationships, and even those that you thought were quite good may have to given up. But you can be sure that any relationship that comes through this period in good shape is very real and important to you.

New relationships with a strongly "fated" quality may also come into your life now, which will have very profound significance for you in about fourteen years.

On a very different level, this transit can also mean a period of austerity, in which either voluntarily or otherwise you will give up many of the little indulgences and luxuries that have filled your life previously. This situation should be viewed as an opportunity for self examination, for seeing your relationship to the appurtenances with which you have saddled your life.

This is definitely a time to be conservative in financial matters and not take on any new financial obligations, for you may have trouble meeting your existing ones. On the other hand, this is an excellent time for firming up and organising the financial structure of your life.

In general you should look upon this transit as a time for ?withdrawing into yourself with respect to others and to material possessions. This withdrawal will enable you to get a clearer idea of what and who you are, so that your future relationships with people and possessions will be more solidly based on reality and therefore more reliable and useful.

[Tidus873]

But I'm having a hell-of-a-hard time right now

[astrologer50]

sorry about that, would you prefer i lie to you? I am not a miracale worker here. Astrology can advise you of the pitfalls and possibilities, the rest is upto you. We are all tested throughout life, its the only way we can learn and grow and go forward. Saturn will test what is valid in your life and what is not. It can be a way of clearing the dead wood away and for you to see yourself more clearly. Again below is Robert Hands version of transiting saturn conjunct Mercury. Hope it helps luv.

SATURN CONJUNCT MERCURY
This transit is a time of serious, heavy, even pessimistic thinking. Communication with others becomes more significant, but also more difficult. In fact this transit often means saying goodbye. You take life more seriously than usual and look at things more seriously, but you run the risk of losing your sense of perspective.

Your mental and intellectual viewpoint is narrowed by this ?transit. You are likely to concern yourself with a smaller range of ideas, but you are more likely to think about them thoroughly. You are beginning a major new cycle of ideas and opinions, of communicating in new ways. This consumes your mental energy and limits your ability to range over a large number of topics. Also you root out old ideas and notions that have outlived their usefulness in your life. Your mind is very disciplined but with this discipline and narrowing of focus there is the danger of thinking too narrowly. You may overlook important alternatives because of your tendency to concentrate single mindedly at this time. Also, with your tendency toward depressed thoughts you may overlook possibilities that seem too idealistic or risky; ?probably they are not at all it is just that you are thinking "small".

Nevertheless this is an excellent time for working a single idea through completely, planning very carefully and realising ideas that can have important consequences many years from now.

Mercury also rules the nervous system, speech and hearing. Occasionally this transit signifies problems in one of these areas nervous ailments, speech or hearing problems and the like, although these are not the most common results of this transit. More commonly this is a period of depression because of a natural tendency to be excessively concerned with serious and difficult subjects.

When dealing with yourself and others, be careful that you do not become too concerned with an unattainable perfection. One effect of the Saturn Mercury combination can be to make too exacting and critical, with the result that you alienate others.

[Tidus873]

No, of course the truth is best, it's just that I'm so lost right now...

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Tidus873

No, of course the truth is best, it's just that I'm so lost right now...

Maybe thats your challenge, test or exam hon...... to find yourself, find your truth and to live by your rules not someone else's.

Vague statements about being lost is no good if you want advice I need specifices. Private mail me with your birth data so I can took a look. Just one maybe two questions please, not dozens as im not an oracle....

LOL

[karen1977]

Aww no; i'm Gemini with Libra rising- does this mean Saturn's approaching again? Only left my chart a few years ago. Heard Saturn's influence encourages you to grow up & take responsibility and Boy! have i grown up! Is it just Librans? How does it affect Gemini- can give you date & time of my birth if you need it, but didnt want to post it in case it sounded like i was asking for a reading.
Karenxxx

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by karen1977

Aww no; i'm Gemini with Libra rising- does this mean Saturn's approaching again? Only left my chart a few years ago. Heard Saturn's influence encourages you to grow up & take responsibility and Boy! have i grown up! Is it just Librans? How does it affect Gemini- can give you date & time of my birth if you need it, but didnt want to post it in case it sounded like i was asking for a reading.
Karenxxx

It takes 28 years for Saturn to go around a natal chart. 2 1/2years in a sign and 2 1/2years in a house. Your first Saturn return is about 28-29years old when Saturn asks that you settle down and put roots, prob even get married, start a family etc. Second Saturn return then is approx 56.

Libra and Gemini belong to same air group which means that it makes a trine 120' mathematical aspect, which is an easy empathy transit. So although Saturn going over your Asc will cause a slow down, may even make you want to sleep bit more. Not good time to launch new projects. Your sun sign should be in either the 9th house or 10th depending on what degree you are Libra rising. SO, if in 9th double helping of restlessness, learning, studying, travel, interests in Law, phillosophy. If in 10th house of Career, social standing, you may well want more recognition and care a lot more about what other people think and want to improve your social standing in some way. All of these things should flow and be quite easy for you when Saturn makes the 120' trine aspct.

Hope this helps LOL

[karen1977]

Thanks a lot for that. I am philosophical, restless & i have an interest in law-my dad always said i should be a barrister, because i can argue up is down, when i put my mind to it!
Can be argumentative & have insomnia, so let's hope what you say about Saturn making me want to sleep more is true-could definitely do with it. :smt015 Not hungry for recognition, wouldn't like to be in the limelight; too self-concious, but would obviously like to be successful(just not in a showy way). Right about me being married with kids, but slightly out with timing. I had my first child at 19, married at 20 & went on to have two more children. Did sometimes feel like the brakes were off up until a few years back, so this may be when Saturn's influence kicked in. Always been impatient,particularly with myself. Perhaps i settled down a little younger than i was meant to, from an astrological point of view, but things did click a couple of years before my thirtieth birthday & since i've been more accepting & mellowed a bit. I can be a bit flaky & go from meticulous detail to slapdash&rushed, depending on what mood im in-i have a butterfly mind&get bored easily without stimulation.
What does trine mean? And what is an easy empathy transit? I am very empathic, but can become too involved & feel other's pain & can guage wht mood someone's in within seconds-is this what it means? Sorry for mithering,btw & thanks for the advice

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by karen1977

Thanks a lot for that. I am philosophical, restless & i have an interest in law-my dad always said i should be a barrister, because i can argue up is down, when i put my mind to it!
Can be argumentative & have insomnia, so let's hope what you say about Saturn making me want to sleep more is true-could definitely do with it. :smt015 Not hungry for recognition, wouldn't like to be in the limelight; too self-concious, but would obviously like to be successful(just not in a showy way). Right about me being married with kids, but slightly out with timing. I had my first child at 19, married at 20 & went on to have two more children. Did sometimes feel like the brakes were off up until a few years back, so this may be when Saturn's influence kicked in. Always been impatient,particularly with myself. Perhaps i settled down a little younger than i was meant to, from an astrological point of view, but things did click a couple of years before my thirtieth birthday & since i've been more accepting & mellowed a bit. I can be a bit flaky & go from meticulous detail to slapdash&rushed, depending on what mood im in-i have a butterfly mind&get bored easily without stimulation.
What does trine mean? And what is an easy empathy transit? I am very empathic, but can become too involved & feel other's pain & can guage wht mood someone's in within seconds-is this what it means? Sorry for mithering,btw & thanks for the advice

Obviously then your sun and moon must be in 9th house, having moon there can sometimes indicate emigrating, or living abroad for some time. An easy empathy transit ie; trine120' means that you dont have to try too hard, things should come easy for you and just flow more rather than battling against the tide.

trine aspect 120' means things flow easily not that you are more empathetic just means you dont have to try too hard hon

Saturn is presently in Virgo in your 12th house (sorry for that, again depends on your degree rising) have just detailed below what prob has been happening or will happen

Saturn in the Twelfth House
This is often called the house of karma, based on the idea that planets found here are in some way denied normal expression and are often operating as unconscious rather than conscious drives.
This is always a difficult house, unless the path of service is pursued! Thus they are capable of bringing stability into other people's lives, by helping and organising those less fortunate.

Somehow the release of energy in this way alleviates much of the frustration and loneliness which accompanies twelfth house planets and makes the required sacrifices bearable.

Great pain often occurs through the twelfth house for the loss of the will after so much careful building is a great blow to the man who has come to identify himself with his personal desires. Yet loss of will is the price which all planets pay when found here although the finding of real inner serenity is often gained in exchanged.

Any planet here is subject to the dissolving and transmuting influence which blocks the ordinary personal expression of the planet and forces its energies inward and upward. That which occurs here occurs in secret like the gestation of a child. Only when the term is complete can this facet of the individual unfold like a newborn baby into external expression; and by then it is changed.

The feeling that one is helpless and must submit to something larger and greater is frequent with this placement of Saturn although it may occur on a very subjective level. This is a cadent house and refers to states of mind and Saturn here often generates a vague fear that someone or something a misty or generalised fate or destiny, is going to destroy him or control him. He may isolate himself and attempt to shield himself from contact with others at the same time that he is weighed down by an oppressive loneliness and sense of powerlessness.

The sacrifice of one's material ambitions is often concurrent with a twelfth house Saturn, and this is also one of the ¬commonest significators of the child who dedicates his life to the care of an ailing or helpless parent at the cost of his own development.

This is often done not because it must be there are always alternatives but because there is an intense feeling of guilt, obligation, and an instinctual understanding that he must make some sacrifice or pay some debt. It is also often the reflection of a fear of confronting external life and a sense of impotence in being able to handle practical affairs.

Or it may be much more subtle and less drastic, as in the case of the man who is always alone and always feels ¬separation from the rest of humanity and the rest of life, no mater how many people he surrounds himself with.

Whatever the specific mundane situation which is reflected, the individual is generally called upon at some point in his life to endure helplessness and aloneness and the sacrifice of his control. When this occurs on an inner level, the individual is frequently unable to communicate his feelings to others which only increases his sense of isolation. He does not understand what it is that he is trying to protect himself against.