[Russell Twyce]

In my view, there is only one conspiracy of any importance and that is not actually a conspiracy, it is just a delusional social desire to to keep the rule-of-law intact, when we really need to flush it into our sordid history.

Law does NOT have any right to rule us, and the wrongness of law is causing most of our societal ills.

[karen1977]

Know what you mean, not an anarchist; i do think we need laws in society but most of our laws are ridiculous. One example are drug laws- dont get me wrong, i'm not pro-drugs in any way, but obviously the laws in place aren't actually helping. If every dealer in the world was arrested and every trace of drugs obliterated, what would you be left with? Millions of turkeying junkies-that's what! How will that improve the world? It won't. I think they should legalise the lot, tax it & stick warnings on it like cigarette packs, saying if you take this rubbish you're on your own. That's what they tell smokers- even though they put £3.60 in for every £1 they take out of the NHS. I for one would not use herion or cocaine if they legalised it tomorrow, nor would most sensible people. Less teenagers would get into them, as the mystique would be removed, the 'cool' factor would be gone. Let us not forget how many people are in hospital due to that lovely, taxable drug, alcohol and how many teenagers have to have their stomachs pumped after playing drinking games or need stitches after being glassed in a pub. Half of all first-time admissions to psychiatric wards are alcohol induced & yet we are still bombarded with ads on TV, all glamourising it. There would be uproar if cigarettes were advertised the same way. I have a theory as to why the powers that be ignore the dangers of alcohol, whilst vilifying recreational drug use. My theory is when you smoke weed or take LSD, you start asking 'why?' These drugs open your mind & our government doesn't want that. However, alcohol intoxication turns you into a staggering speech-slurring halfwit- just how they want us. And as for all the horror stories regarding ecstacy-rubbish. A peanut is more likely to kill & that's a fact. And while your on E, you're less likely to buy alcohol in the night club & that means less tax to the gov & they can't have that. Also, you're less likely to get into a fight & the chances of you carrying a knife are very low. This is just one example of stupid, pointless, unenforcable laws in this country. The smoking ban is another, but i dont wanna get started on that or i'll be at it all day- my favourite subject to moan about :wink: Karenxx soz for going on,btw!

[drusila]

Originally Posted by karen1977

Know what you mean, not an anarchist; i do think we need laws in society but most of our laws are ridiculous. One example are drug laws- dont get me wrong, i'm not pro-drugs in any way, but obviously the laws in place aren't actually helping. If every dealer in the world was arrested and every trace of drugs obliterated, what would you be left with? Millions of turkeying junkies-that's what! How will that improve the world? It won't. I think they should legalise the lot, tax it & stick warnings on it like cigarette packs, saying if you take this rubbish you're on your own. That's what they tell smokers- even though they put £3.60 in for every £1 they take out of the NHS. I for one would not use herion or cocaine if they legalised it tomorrow, nor would most sensible people. Less teenagers would get into them, as the mystique would be removed, the 'cool' factor would be gone. Let us not forget how many people are in hospital due to that lovely, taxable drug, alcohol and how many teenagers have to have their stomachs pumped after playing drinking games or need stitches after being glassed in a pub. Half of all first-time admissions to psychiatric wards are alcohol induced & yet we are still bombarded with ads on TV, all glamourising it. There would be uproar if cigarettes were advertised the same way. I have a theory as to why the powers that be ignore the dangers of alcohol, whilst vilifying recreational drug use. My theory is when you smoke weed or take LSD, you start asking 'why?' These drugs open your mind & our government doesn't want that. However, alcohol intoxication turns you into a staggering speech-slurring halfwit- just how they want us. And as for all the horror stories regarding ecstacy-rubbish. A peanut is more likely to kill & that's a fact. And while your on E, you're less likely to buy alcohol in the night club & that means less tax to the gov & they can't have that. Also, you're less likely to get into a fight & the chances of you carrying a knife are very low. This is just one example of stupid, pointless, unenforcable laws in this country. The smoking ban is another, but i dont wanna get started on that or i'll be at it all day- my favourite subject to moan about :wink: Karenxx soz for going on,btw!

ranted like a true hicks fan

it's just a ride!!!

[karen1977]

Like he says, 'some people have been on the ride so long they ask, "is this real?"'-Thanks for reminding me, Drusilla! :smt023

[thsismyaccountonhere]

Originally Posted by karen1977

Know what you mean, not an anarchist; i do think we need laws in society but most of our laws are ridiculous. One example are drug laws- dont get me wrong, i'm not pro-drugs in any way, but obviously the laws in place aren't actually helping. If every dealer in the world was arrested and every trace of drugs obliterated, what would you be left with? Millions of turkeying junkies-that's what! How will that improve the world? It won't. I think they should legalise the lot, tax it & stick warnings on it like cigarette packs, saying if you take this rubbish you're on your own. That's what they tell smokers- even though they put £3.60 in for every £1 they take out of the NHS. I for one would not use herion or cocaine if they legalised it tomorrow, nor would most sensible people. Less teenagers would get into them, as the mystique would be removed, the 'cool' factor would be gone. Let us not forget how many people are in hospital due to that lovely, taxable drug, alcohol and how many teenagers have to have their stomachs pumped after playing drinking games or need stitches after being glassed in a pub. Half of all first-time admissions to psychiatric wards are alcohol induced & yet we are still bombarded with ads on TV, all glamourising it. There would be uproar if cigarettes were advertised the same way. I have a theory as to why the powers that be ignore the dangers of alcohol, whilst vilifying recreational drug use. My theory is when you smoke weed or take LSD, you start asking 'why?' These drugs open your mind & our government doesn't want that. However, alcohol intoxication turns you into a staggering speech-slurring halfwit- just how they want us. And as for all the horror stories regarding ecstacy-rubbish. A peanut is more likely to kill & that's a fact. And while your on E, you're less likely to buy alcohol in the night club & that means less tax to the gov & they can't have that. Also, you're less likely to get into a fight & the chances of you carrying a knife are very low. This is just one example of stupid, pointless, unenforcable laws in this country. The smoking ban is another, but i dont wanna get started on that or i'll be at it all day- my favourite subject to moan about :wink: Karenxx soz for going on,btw!

Spot on!

I think if they legalised drugs and prostitution organised crime and all teh unplesantrys associated would be almost non exsistant. The mafia for example would have never got a foothold in america had they not prohibited alcohol.

Really annoyed me when they banned magic mushrooms a few years ago because someone killed them selfs when on them, how many people have done the same (and killed other too) when drunk? The use of drugs is one of the major contributing factors in the steep rise in people awakening and becoming psychicly aware. The government (or the people above them) really don't want that.

Basically IMO laws that protect the innocent are good in them selfs, though you have to look at the motives behind teh people a who make all the laws, they are basically people caught up in a system built by teh people above them who are looking to milk the human condition for all it's worth. I hate the attitude of "if drugs were legal we'd all be smack heads" it's just basically asking to be controlled.

[karen1977]

Exactly! They'd put the dealers out of business in one fell swoop-and the pimps, because, let's face it, prostitution is alive and well and around a corner, no matter which country you're from. Not condoning prostitution, but it happens-always has, always will & all legislation does is force young girls on to the streets to feed, most likely a drug habit. It'll be her boyfriend/pimp/dealer who sends her out. None of this would be possible if not for illegal drugs. It's a vicious circle.
Didnt know it was illegal to take mushies though! We used to pick em in August-September on our local graveyard & i think they grew (very very briefly) on one of our school playing feilds. I've never taken them, but my hubbie did a few times in his youth & hasn't got a bad word to say about them. No, he says, mars bars didnt chase him on bikes or owt, but he did feel like he was getting a personal bulletin when he was watching the news. In my youth i took copious amounts of acid- must've taken it every weekend for about two years. It was all good. The only thing i could warn against concerning LSD is don't look in a mirror- your face will be paisley patterned & your eyes will look like saucers! lol. Oh yeah, neither of us got the urge to run in front of traffic, nor did we think we could fly. Youre also spot on with what you say about the state telling us what is & isn't good for us, why do they let us vote if they think we are as incompetent as they treat us? You could make heroin legal tomorrow & i wouldn't even be tempted; not because the gov says its harmful, but because i personally knew people who got hooked, then sunk lower than limbo. In my year at school alone i can count at least thirty smackheads, five of which i know FOR A FACT are prostitutes, one of which actually bore the child of one of her 'punters'. I know of at least four lads who became rent boys (&theyre straight), just to fund their habit. The laws clearly aren't deterring kids from using, in fact, they're probably facilitating the dealers if anything- supply & demand & all that. You find me one solitary drug dealer who thinks drugs should be legalised- you never will, because if they were legalised, those people would be out of a job & a very lucrative one too. Just think of all the hospitals could be built out of the taxes...it just looks like a missed opportunity to me. Oh yeah, the smoking laws too- Dear Mr Brown, if you live in a town or city or built-up area, as most of us do, thanks to cars, lorries, buses etc OUR LUNGS ARE ALREADY BLACK, DOLT!! And passive smoking is a myth- i blame Roy Castle, the tap-dancing killjoy,lol.

[thsismyaccountonhere]

haha

I love acid! Probably my favorite drug, don't think I'd be up for shroomz from a grave yard, though the ones I have taken (being from a field or grown at home) enhance my insight and seeing like 111010101011010101010100% or something. Psychedelic drugs changed my life tbh, I remember the first time I KNEW something else was there. Over the years from tehn I have been realising and learning at an ever increasing rate who I am and why I am here (without the aid of said drugs). Sometimes a person can need a bit of chemical encouragement to realise whats going on and to see beyond their own self/ego into the greater reality thats all around.

In terms of smack most people wouldn't bother with it some might once or twice, but very few people would actualy be self hating and unmotivated in other things enough to want to give their lives over to it. You'd still get addicts like you get alcoholics but it probably wouldn't be a major problem to society.

you could buy opium and all sorts of other powerful psycoactive and addictiev substances over the cunter at chemists a hundred years ago!

[karen1977]

They should sell it in Pharmacies, in a packet which has a skull & cross bones, a pic of Zammo off Grange Hill or something. I know it'd never appeal to me- not unless i was in absolute agony. Been given Morphine in hospital quite a few times, for pain, before i had an op to sort out the problem- gallstones(ouch). Still got em in a little tub, the swines- like ****** maltesers from hell,lol. Any way, i digress; the point i'm making is they still use morphine & heroin IS morphine, same difference; heroin was just a brand name for morphine, like nurofen is a brand name for ibuprofen, (which incidentally, gave me gastric ulcers-yet this drug's 'safe'- ha!).
Cocaine used to be used in dentist's as an anasthetic-Lord, it was in coca-cola, which i find hilarious- you drink coke , you get high. Your teeth rot with all the sugar, so you go to the dentist, you get high! They later took the coke out of Coke & replaced it with caffeine & the dentists began to use novocaine, which is like cocaine's non-addictive, inactive sister.
In the sixties, if you went to the doctor saying you felt down, he would prescribe Cannabis Elixir-this would lift your mood, improve your appetite and best of all, it was non-addictive. Then, that was put aside in favour of the new wonder drug, the drug that would be SO MUCH better than the archaic medicine they had originally used. This new wonder drug is still well known today; it is called Diazepam, better known as VALIUM aka 'mother's little helper', as sung about by The Rolling Stones. Benzodiazepams are addictive (unlike cannabis), they are very easy to overdose on & they rarely used nowadays, except for alcoholics, who they are given to as an anti-psychotic & mainly to prevent seizures on withdrawal of alcohol. This is damage limitation- doctors in the 60's created a new breed of middle-class, mainly female, socially- acceptable drug addicts. They were probably responsible for many overdoses & so, by the 80's they were trying to backtrack, to phase it out, because by that time lots of similar drugs had popped up & were mainly being abused. I know many people who in the 80's & 90's would go to the doc complaining of insomnia & they'd be prescribed a BIG JAR of tamazepam- the big green eggs no less! They would then go home and knock them out for 50p a peice! Insane!! Obviously, this no longer goes on-the docs got wise to it, about 4 years after the rest of us did, mind you!
My point is the doctors were the ones who originally introduced middle-Britain to drug abuse. For a while pill-popping was part of our culture- why were people of this generation so shocked and upset when our generation dicovered ecstacy? Where do they think we learned that pills=escape? And as for LSD- they created it!!
Our habits are inherited, whether your drug of choice is cannabis, E, LSD, cocaine, heroin, caffeine, whatever, were still all substance abusers.
Drugs have always been here, always will be here & the sooner we realise there's nothing we can do about it, the sooner we can tackle the things that really matter, the things that generally get people into hard drugs in the first place. Im talking about poverty, divorce, domestic abuse- the important stuff. You'd put the drug dealers out of business, have safer drugs (brick dust cant be good) & get a shed load of tax revenue-it's common sense! It's gonna take someone really brave in govt to propose this, so i can't see it happening any time soon. And that's a shame. Kxx

[Zeggle]

The **** sapien has it's problems, how are we ever going to answer the cutting edge of science questions and beyond i think the world and future needs lots of paradigm busters

[Etheress]

I work for the emergency service in my country and I see and hear all the digusting things people do to each other everyday. It sickens and depresses me. Things are always worse in the weekends due to more people going out and getting wasted.
The problem isn't the alcohol (or drugs) it's the people using it.

I have no strong opinion on drug legalisation. Whatever way it goes there will always be people who can't handle what the've taken and will cause mayhem. People are idiots. I certainly have nothing against the law though.