[Icedbullet77]

[/quote]Why do you say the universe is rigidly divided into "categories"?

Such compartmentalization would mean that the universe is not infinite.

And why should spirit be limited by physical form?

Also, you are asking me to deny my own experiences. That is not a step to be taken lightly.[/quote]


If you can prove to me that the universe is infinite then please do so, but I don't believe it is, there is however infinite amounts of parallel Universes.

Yes and by that I mean that there is infinite amounts of myself , each with different lifestyles and personalities. Each with individual spirits in the same category as myself.

It sounds far fetched, but there are many things that people don't know and understanding the impossible is the first step to enlightenment.

[SamanthaLion]

Originally Posted by AMP24

I do not see what we could possibly learn in anther form.

Are you saying that the human species incorporates all that could possibly be?

What could I possibly learn by being a lion?

I remember a tremendous joy, which I attribute to living without fear. Human society is based largely on fear.

I agree animals have limited emotions, but they are nowhere near as complex as human ones. In fact, lions sleep for about 20 hours a day.

So you will allow emotions, but you would impose limitations on them. How and where do you impose these limitations? Can animals be practical jokers? Can they mourn? Can they love?

I don't know why you use sleeping as an example for your argument. Sleeping, for lions, is a communal activity, highly charged with the joy of companionship.

I also do not see how animals could possibly be our guides. They cannot communicate with us when they are here in words, so why would that change when they cross over?

Why do you limit communication to words? Words get in the way of communication spirit to spirit.

And if the theory of spirit being able to cross over species were true, then why would the guide need to show itself as a lion? In that theory it would have been many things, including human, so why not show itself in that form?

Replace the concept of "need" with "choose" in your first question.

[SamanthaLion]

Originally Posted by Icedbullet77

If you can prove to me that the universe is infinite then please do so, but I don't believe it is, there is however infinite amounts of parallel Universes.

This is just playing with semantics.

Yes and by that I mean that there is infinite amounts of myself , each with different lifestyles and personalities. Each with individual spirits in the same category as myself.

But if your "category" does not include other "categories", then you are limited and not infinite.

understanding the impossible is the first step to enlightenment.

In light of your responses to me, that seems an ironic statement.

[szumu01]

AS MUCH AS SOME WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE IT, REINCARNATION IS A MYTH:

FROM THE SPIRITS:

Q.Do we re-incarnate again on earth?
A.Now that is a question I find difficulty in answering. I have known no one who has. I passed over many years ago, and I have round about me those who lived thousands of years ago on earth. That is all I can say, because my knowledge does not permit me to say more


30 [THIRTY] YEARS AMONG THE DEAD, 1924 By Carl A. Wickland, M.D.* It must be remembered that even Madam Blavatsky tried to RE-turn after her passing over to the spirit world. On finding that she could not will herself or choose to return to earth as she had taught in her theory of re-incarnation, Blavatsky's work in the spirit world became 'rescuing' spirits trapped in the darkness who were only looking to return to earth life and in so doing found themselves lost or, obsessing or possessing another's physical body. Putting right her erroneous earth teachings, Blavatsky helped to guide lost spirits into Spiritualistic 'rescue circles' here on earth, to help them find the light again and be able to continue their progression into the higher spirit world.

After several weeks of reading the lawyer's automatic writings and, I might add, resonating with them, I came to a message from an ancient East Indian spirit which took me by surprise. In it, he said that he believed reincarnation was a process of purification that was necessary in order for a spirit to attain a state of purification and perfection and arrive at the blissful state of Nirvana. "But in all the years of my spirit existence," he said, "I had not known of a spirit to reincarnate, and in this, my disappointment has been grievous. Karma exists in the spirit world, and many spirits of my association have become pure and perfected spirits through renunciation; yet, they have remained spirits and have progressed to the highest realms without taking another body."

"When comparing the most advanced mortals in mind and soul condition, they are not equal to us in development. This makes me wonder what improvement could be made in our condition in order for us to progress, should we enter into another mortal body. Yet, strangely, we cling to our old belief in reincarnation and congregate together, waiting for something that must happen in order for reincarnation to become the destiny of our souls..."

THE SOUL IS ENCASED IN A SPIRIT BODY
In the following message from an advanced spirit, he explains that it is impossible for a soul in the spirit world to be reincarnated back into flesh. This is because, upon leaving the mortal body, the soul will inhabit its spirit or etheric body thereafter. The spirit body is the envelope and protector of the soul and is what gives the soul its individuality as a conscious entity. The soul is encased in its spirit body which, though physical in nature, is not of a gross material. The spirit body remains with the soul as long as the soul exists. If a soul enters a mortal body, it would have to shed its spirit body, which it cannot do. Only a soul without a spirit body can enter into a mortal body.
When mortals die, their souls have already achieved the purpose of incarnation, that is, individualization of the soul. A soul may become a purified soul through the exercise of will and the expression of remorse in the spirit world. It is, therefore, absolutely unnecessary for the soul to go back to the flesh for another chance to purify itself.
Rev. Merrill goes on about how spirits are continually interacting with the mortal world; child prodigies and child geniuses are said to be old souls who have come back in re-birth. Do people not know that children are most susceptible to spirit influence from birth to six or seven years of age, whether that influencing spirit is a musician, mathematician, poet or writer of prose? How easy it is to forget that spirits are around us at all times, mingling and co-mingling.

Through Mrs. Wickland's inspirational writing, a personal friend, the late Dr. J. M. Peebles (author, lecturer, and diplomat), stated, "When I reached the spirit world, I found such glory and happiness and beauty that I now realize this little earth is a grammar school, not a university or even a high school; it is only the first lesson of life." Why should anyone want to come back again, to be confined in a body? In the spirit world, you are free to travel everywhere. Why go back to that prison again? Dr. Peebles continued, "You can learn in one day here what takes years to learn on earth. Forget reincarnation, because it is a sandbag around your neck. You will have it so centered on your mind, that you will think of nothing else, and you will stay just where you are. You cannot progress because your mind will always revert to the earth again. You cannot live on the earth more than once. Life is progression, not retrogression."
CORRECTION FROM THE OTHER SIDE
The most powerful testimonial came from Helena Blavatsky. Madam Blavatsky was a spiritualist medium of considerable talent and co-founder of the Theosophical Society. She was a pioneer of the New Thought Movement, the early forerunner of New Age. She stated, "I studied reincarnation in India and thought there was truth and justice in the theory that we come back to learn and grow. I taught the theory and wanted to bring it to the world. I felt that I remembered far back into my past, but I was mistaken. When you become sensitive and can feel the spirits around you, they speak to you by impressions, and their past will be like a panorama. A person feels it and will relive the past of spirits, but the mistake is made of taking this for the memory of past incarnations. I did not know this when I lived on earth, but when I came to the spirit side of life I learned differently. Once you reach the spirit world, where all is congenial, where all is life, where all is bliss, where there is no jealousy, no envy, where all is one grand harmony, do you think for one moment that you would want to leave that beautiful condition to come back to earth and be a little baby, restricted in mind and knowing nothing whatever?"
Memories of past lives are caused by spirits that bring such thoughts and represent the lives that they lived. A spirit impresses a person with the experiences of its life and these are implanted in the mind as one's own, causing you to think you remember your past.

Lincoln went into trance - his voice changed, and he gave an fascinating address from his spirit guide, Magnus. When he finished, there were questions and answers. The one question which stuck with me was asked by a woman concerning reincarnation. The spirit guide, Magnus, replied that he had seen many spirits waiting to return to earth, but had never seen any spirits actually leave the spirit world. Furthermore, he added that he and his companions were more advanced than mortals and, therefore, could not imagine what would be accomplished by returning to the earth. I quickly glanced over at the woman to see her reaction. She was visibly taken back; obviously, this was not what she had expected to hear.

It is true that communications, or what purport to be communications, from the dead assert the doctrine of reincarnation. But we must remember that there is no agreement in communications of the dead about their life. The disagreement is as great as it is about philosophic views among the living. The probable origin of the theory of reincarnation explains the element of truth which it contains. But the survival of personal identity, adequately supported by facts, contradicts the main doctrine of the reincarnationist. It goes to prove that we are receiving only statements of opinion, not facts, from communicators, if we accept the statements as communications from a transcendental world.
Some communicators deny the reincarnation. Some venture to adduce facts to support it, but these will not bear the slightest examination as evidence. For instance, some will tell us that they can remember a previous existence. But they do not reckon with illusions of memory. We sometimes recall something which we locate in a certain time and place, but find later that this location was wrong. When the total experience is recalled we find that we are dealing with two events connected only by similarity. We confused them because of the imperfection of the recall. This imperfect recall will explain most of the alleged instances of recollection of a prenatal past. Other facts adduced in support of reincarnation can be explained as mediumistic phenomena. That is, discarnate personalities may produce in the minds of psychics the feeling of long past time or of previous existence by the transmission, telepathically perhaps, of their own feelings and states of mind. These would naturally enough be interpreted as evidence of reincarnation. But when we find that they are memories transmitted from the discarnate to the living mind, their claims as evidence are nullified. The sense of recognizing a place which we are seeing for the first time is another type of fact like the one just considered, except that it involves space instead of time. It too can be explained either as an illusion of memory or as clairvoyance.
Either hypothesis nullifies the value of the facts as evidence for reincarnation. What it is that can recommend the doctrine of reincarnation to its believers is difficult to understand. It contains nothing desirable and nothing ethical. Reincarnation is not desirable, because it does not satisfy the only instinct that makes survival of any kind interesting, namely, the instinct to preserve the consciousness of personal identity. This is denied to the process until its end and that is never in sight! Moreover, assertion of even this return of memory is purely arbitrary. Man's only interest in survival is for the persistence of his personal identity. It is a form of the impulse towards self-preservation, which is fundamental to all the acquisitions of experience and character in this life. A future life must be the continuity of this consciousness or it is not a life to us at all. Moreover, there is nothing ethical in the doctrine. The absolutely fundamental condition of all ethics is memory and the retention of personal identity, and memory and personal identity are excluded from the process of reincarnation. That you cannot maintain a theory of responsibility in any existence without memory is a truism in ethics and even in our civil courts. If our personal identity were changed, we could not be held responsible for anything we did. If we lost our memory every five minutes we should be regarded as insane, and crime could not be ascribed to us. In cases of alternating personality, punishment might be meted out to the personality performing the act, but this restraint could not apply to the other personality. The result is that cases of dissociation and change of personality are subjects for the physician and not the police.
The doctrine of reincarnation has to face this large question. We cannot apply to any future life the categories of the present, unless personal identity be assumed. Memory from one stage to another is necessary to the continuance of existence. "Karma" without memory is retribution minus all grounds for it, abstracting everything that makes it rational. When, in the light of psychic research, we examine the early theories of animism and the doctrine of reincarnation as held among the early Greek philosophers, even the materialists Empedocles and Democritus, we may discover how the theory of reincarnation originated. Primitive animism was bound up with the belief in reincarnation, but it was not clearly worked out into a logical and consistent philosophy. We find in animism only the seeds of the doctrine, in the naive ideas of ignorant people with a penchant for explaining things. But when we recognize undeveloped spiritualism in this primitive animism, we find a clue to the origin of the myth of reincarnation.
Do spirits reincarnate? Findlay replies: ?To return would be retrogression and we have no evidence that this is nature?s plan. It sounds simple and believable to those who have never thought out how we obtain our individual minds and become individual beings. These come from our parents as already explained. There is no mystery about it, so the one who believes that he or she is the reincarnation of some individual who once lived, must explain how this separate individual mind took the place of the combined minds of his or her parents at conception. It is caused by misunderstanding of the facts and sprang from minds. These views, I may say, receive the support of my informants in the Etheric world, who say that they know of no one who has incarnated again on earth. They have with them those who live on earth thousands of years ago, and those not with them have gone on to higher planes.

[SamanthaLion]

Originally Posted by szumu01

AS MUCH AS SOME WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE IT, REINCARNATION IS A MYTH

Sorry, the truth is still the truth, no matter how many words or whose "authority" you try to use to bury it.

[Daniel Brendan]

No, I think you should hear him out. I am a firm believer in reincarnation, but I keep a very open mind about everything because I know that man is very susceptible to mistakes and everything we know is thought by man and written by man. Even though he has no evidence other than spirit hear-say, it is no more than the side that says reincarnation exists. I have been thinking about the past-life I experienced before, where I have memories of being an Egyptian child looking at her mother put on some jewelry. I have no reason to connect this to my own life, our personalities are very different as a matter of fact. It's mainly for that reason that I am leaning towards szumu01's description of what happens. It just rings with my instinct better than other peoples' explanation.

[szumu01]

Hello Samanthalion, whose "truth" are you using to define your "truth"? Is your source "just right"? What "truth" would you use to dispose of the truth that I have posted above? Here is more, for your edification:

Statement of Fact : So Called Spiritualism Today, IS NOT True Spiritualism--It Was Lost More Than 100 Years Ago. There IS Soul Embodiment/s. Soul being in a timeless existence CAN NEVER be in a "RE" existence, therefore the spirit does NOT "re" incarnate, it is a vehicle ONLY of the soul for earth incarnation experience. Cora's teachings are Natural Quantum Physics-- NOT Metaphysics, NOT Para Psychology, Not psychic channeling, but scientifically proven true mediumship and teaching 'true knowing through deep perceiving'. Soul truth is NOT New Age 'beliefs', superstitions & misstatements (since the 1960s drug revolution). Nor the occult, magic or miracles of the Roman civilization's re-hashed system, their cults, sects & secret societies. Truth is NEVER 'New' because Truth has always been TRUTH long before our earth memory.

THE PSYCHIC READING
On arriving at the Institute, I was led to a first floor room where, to my surprise, I was introduced to not one, but three psychics who were to do the reading. They seated themselves in a row, and I was told "Take the chair in front of us and try not to be nervous". The first two hours of the reading were filled with interesting and useful information about myself, my life and my future. The last hour was to be dedicated to uncovering my past lives.
In that final hour, I was told that I had had many lives. The first past life they spoke about was that of an ancient Hebrew; it was in this life that I had made a pact with God and died in His service. I must admit that I liked this very much; it not only made me feel important, it also could have been a possible explanation for my burning spiritual desire. Next, they told me that I was in the Crusades and was killed trying to free the Holy Land. From there, I lived as a Frenchman and was robbed and murdered on the road to Paris. Following that life, I was a World War I soldier killed in the trenches of Europe. After that life was revealed to me, my body began to shake. And, with each additional past life they described, the shaking intensified. I didn't know what was happening I could only think that it was my kundulini rising. Then, all of a sudden, the door swung open, and the director of the school burst into the room and exclaimed, in a huff, "What are all these spirits doing in the room? Get them out of here!" And, she began to order the psychics about. "You, do this; you do that. This reading is over!"
I was stunned and bewildered as well as disappointed that my reading had ended so abruptly. On the way home in the car, I kept asking myself over and over, 'What was that all about and why was the director so upset?'
As the weeks passed, I longed for answers; then, one day, they seemed to pop into my head. It was as if I was told that it was true, indeed, that there were 'spirits in the room' and they were hovering around me during the reading and it was their combined soul power that created an energy field strong enough to shake my body. It was also true that the psychics were skilled at their craft and were able to read the identities of the 'spirits in the room' and in particular their last experience on earth their death. However, I somehow realized that their mistake was telling me that the lives they were reading were my past lives when in reality, they were the lives of the 'spirits in the room'.

[SamanthaLion]

Szumu, all you are doing is posting tracts. I have no idea what benefit you expect from your campaign, but you've taken on the impossible task of proving something does not exist.

If you ever decide you want to have an actual discussion, fine, but posting articles you found somewhere that aren't even relevant to the discussion at hand is just pointless.

[szumu01]

Hi Samanthalion, I'm not really sure why you think what I have posted is not relevant to the discussion. When people think they've been or will be animals, how is information contradicting that irrelevant? It seems to me that you have found something that you cannot dispute and perhaps are not happy about it for some reason. Do you not believe the spirits? Would you like a link to 100 books made available free online that all speak clearly about the myth of reincarnation, dictated by the spirits? I know it's hard to have one's beliefs "shaken". Do you think it's good for people to wonder if their new pet cat might be their mother or dad? Do you think it's of benefit for parents of a new baby to wonder if it is their uncle? Or their late pet iguana? Does this seem rational to you for some reason? Would their be a 'spiritual' reason for any of these things? Does it not seem...unusual?

[szumu01]

Sorry, I forgot about this my last post. My only "campaign" is to provide information to people to see both sides of the coin, with such a widely believed Hindu myth like reincarnation, it seems that many don't ask themselves or anyone else the "difficult" questions that make reincarnation an obvious myth, I don't feel it is the least bit insignificant to post information for the consideration of others, pertaining to this matter, especially when it comes from spirits and NOT any form of theological system. So, further:



Spirit: MADAM BLAVATSKY. Psychic: MRS. WICKLAND

I wanted to come to you this evening. I believe in the work this little
circle is doing, and I am very pleased with the work you are carrying on. I
wish there were more to help us, to meet us on a half way basis to
understand there is no death.

I do wish I had taught this truth more, and also that I had tried to look
further into it. I knew about it. I also had many manifestations.

I do not know why, but when truth comes to us we shut it out. Truth is
always hidden. We have to search to find it. Theories and dogmas seem to
have more chance in the world than truth. Every one has some manifestations
but hides them instead of acknowledging them.

I wanted to be a leader in some way or another. Now I want to bring the
truth to the world. I knew of spirit manifestations and I had them myself. I
did a great deal in my early days along this line but I commenced to
investigate Theosophy. Philosophy and Theosophy should go hand in hand.

To me came Reincarnation. It appealed to me for a time. I could not see
the truth clearly. I felt that it was very unjust some should be rich and have
such good times and that others should be poor and have so much trouble.
Others did not get enough earth experience-at least so I felt.

I studied Reincarnation, and I thought there was truth and justice in the
theory that we come back and learn and have more experiences. I taught it
and wanted to bring it out to the world and its peoples.

I felt that I remembered far back in my past. I felt I knew all about my
past, but I was mistaken.

Memories of "past lives" are caused by spirits that bring such thoughts and represent the lives they lived. A spirit impresses you with
the experiences of its life and these are implanted in your mind as your own.
You then think you remember your past.

When you study, especially when you study Theosophy, you develop
your mind and live in an atmosphere of mind. You remove yourself as much
as possible from the physical. Naturally you become sensitive, and naturally
you feel the spirits around you.

They speak to you by impressions and their past will be like a
panorama. You feel it, and you live over the past of spirits and you make the
mistake of taking this for the memory of former incarnations.

I did not know this when I lived. I took it for granted that these memories
were true, but when I came to the spirit side of life I learned differently.

I studied a great deal. Theosophy is the best and highest philosophy of
life intrinsically, but let us study the truth, let us live up to the truth of
it and
forget theories.

Let us develop the truth within us-find ourselves. Do not let us look far
away; do not let us look in the past, do not let us look into the future, but
let
us find ourselves in our present condition and let us be true to ourselves. Let
us forget all theories and dogmas. Let us know and feel the nearness of God.

Reincarnation is not true.

I did not want to believe that. They told me here in the spirit world that I
could not reincarnate. I have tried and tried to come back to be somebody
else, but I could not. We cannot reincarnate. We progress, we do not come
back.

Why should you come back to live another life when you have gained
experience and an understanding while you were here, and, furthermore, since
this is only a preliminary school on earth?

Let us learn to find ourselves. While I am sorry to say many have not
found themselves, let all of us here acquire knowledge so that when we go to
the spirit side of life we shall go on to a higher life.

In earth life you have your material body to hinder you. If you want to
write a book you have to look up data here and there and go to the library to
find some book that contains what you wish to know. You may have to go
from one place to another and yet not find it. It all takes time, and time is
limited; You are hindered.

In the spirit world, if we want data on a certain thing we think of it and
it is all before us. There is no time, no matter, to hinder.

In the spirit world, if we want earthly experience, do you think we have
to reincarnate to get that experience? No, we do not.

For illustration, say one wants to know more about medicine. He then
goes to a school as a student, hears everything, sees everything, and comes in
contact with everything, learning it much quicker than he could grasp it on
earth, and he has it much clearer in his mind.

In earth life you have to study for years, and then you do not get it as
clearly as we do.

Suppose you want experience in the spirit world with machinery or
anything else-you can get it easily. We have everything in the spirit world,
because everything that is invented on earth has first been invented in the
spirit world.

Suppose an inventor passes on before completion of his invention. He
will not give it up. He studies it on the spirit side of life because it is
easier
to study there, as he has more time. When he has everything ready he finds
some sensitive and impresses the invention on his mind. Then that one
commences on it, perfects it, and gives it to the world.

If I impress a sensitive with an idea, in one sense I reincarnate-not in his
body, but by impressing him with what I want done.

In this way we come and go, if we are attracted to earth life and want to
be here.

When you have once reached the spirit world, where all are congenial,
where all is life, where all is bliss, where there is no jealousy, no envy,
where
all is one grand harmony, do you think for one moment that you would want
to leave that beautiful condition to come back to earth and be a little baby,
restricted in mind and knowing nothing-nothing whatever?

Furthermore, you might get into a sickly, crippled body and be worse
than you were before.

No, reincarnation is not true. I believed it, I taught it, and I was sure that
I should come back and be somebody else. But I will not. I can do far more
good now. If I want to do some missionary work, or some good, I go down to the earth
sphere, the earthbound sphere, where the spirits are in all kinds of misery. I
preach to them and teach them; I try to rescue them. So I find my work.

Why should we go down from the harmony in the spirit world to what
I might call hell?

Here we have one group, singing and praying and praising God from early
morning until night, and they are so selfhypnotized that we cannot talk to them.

We go to another group and there we find the misers. They are so busy
counting money, money, which is their God, that we cannot reach them.

We go to others who have been ruined in life; they are bitter and jealous,
they have nothing but revenge in their minds. They have no love or kindness.
They are like sponges which have been dipped in muddy water; you would
not even know they were sponges. Their love has turned to hate and they
cannot be taught love and kindness.

They will spit at you, they will laugh at you, for they feel that there is
no God, no kindness, no love, but all is jealousy and selfishness.
A master is one who can master matter, can overcome matter, one who
can live a pure and good life, and master the conditions of life.

Learn the lessons of Nature; learn how to progress.

I am sorry to say that most of those who want to be "Masters" on earth
fall. It is not they themselves who fall, but they become so sensitive, so
psychic, that, although they do not know they are on the borderland,
earthbound spirits step in, control them and they fall.

We should master matter first before we try to master new ideas.


MORE INFORMATION:

THAT the belief in reincarnation on earth is a fallacious one and prevents
progression to higher spiritual realms after transition* has been frequently
declared by advanced spirits, while numerous cases of obsession which have
come under our care have been due to spirits who, in endeavoring to
"reincarnate" in children, have found themselves imprisoned in the magnetic
aura, causing great suffering to both their victims and themselves.

A little boy in Chicago, Jack T., had been normal until the age of five
when he began to manifest precocious tendencies and acted strangely.

Formerly he had had the natural disposition of a child but began to fret
about things ordinarily foreign to a child's mind and acted in many ways like
an adult.

He worried over trifles, lay awake at night with strange mutterings and
presentiments, and at times had an uncontrollable temper.

He was a boy of good appearance but talked constantly of being old,
homely and ugly looking, and was so intractable that efforts at reprimand
and correction proved of no avail.

This condition became so aggravated that his family despaired of
restoring the boy's reason.

A relative who knew of our experimental work in abnormal psychology
wrote to the Institute requesting us to concentrate for the boy. This was
done and an entity, whose actions and expressions were in every way like
those of the boy, was attracted to the psychic, Mrs. Wickland.

This entity said his name was Charlie Herrman; he was aware of having
died and declared he was a very homely man, with ugly features and a face
covered with pock marks. Nobody had cared for him and this fact preyed on
his mind.

Someone had once told him that after death individuals could reincarnate
and become whatever they wished to be. Since his only desire was to be
good looking, so that others would not shun him, he decided to try and
reincarnate.

As a result, he became entangled in the magnetic aura of a small boy and
was unable to free himself.

*See Chap. 8. Page 197. Spirit: John Edwards.

Finding that he was helplessly imprisoned, and incapable of making
himself understood, he had outbursts of temper and "felt like flying to
pieces."

"They called me Jack at times, but I am not Jack. That was not my
name, and I could not understand."

Our concentration for the boy had freed the spirit and for this he was
very grateful.

After instructions were given regarding spiritual progression and he had
been assured that he need no longer be homely if he would discard old ideas
from his mind, forget self and strive to help others, he expressed great
eagerness to go with the spirits who, he stated, had come to help him,

In a letter written a few days later by the boy's mother we were
informed that a remarkable change had occurred in the child.

"Jack is now a boy again and has been very good this week, really like he
used to be."

He remained normal and received excellent grades in school, where his
progress from that time on was unusually rapid.