[Suebh]

Why are people with abilities not permitted to charge for their time and knowledge? Doctors charge for their time and knowledge? Carpenters charge for their time and knowledge? Plumbers charge for their time and knowledge? And everyone else too. So why can psychics not charge for their time and knowledge, they have put years into their development and training too. Yes as in all walks of life there willl be cowboys and rogues but how about expanding your thinking and not tar everyone with this tarnished brush. Its an age old arguement and I personally dont understand why, why psychics are hit like this. Who's mind is closed? Who cannot acknowledge that this is an ability, God given, just like any other wether it be danciing singing nursing whatever. Why are we crucified? Why do you feel that our time is not as valuable as everyone elses?

Sue

[Andrea]

Originally Posted by Suebh

Why are people with abilities not permitted to charge for their time and knowledge? Doctors charge for their time and knowledge? Carpenters charge for their time and knowledge? Plumbers charge for their time and knowledge? And everyone else too. So why can psychics not charge for their time and knowledge, they have put years into their development and training too. Yes as in all walks of life there willl be cowboys and rogues but how about expanding your thinking and not tar everyone with this tarnished brush. Its an age old arguement and I personally dont understand why, why psychics are hit like this. Who's mind is closed? Who cannot acknowledge that this is an ability, God given, just like any other wether it be danciing singing nursing whatever. Why are we crucified? Why do you feel that our time is not as valuable as everyone elses?

Sue

I also do not think that psychics or mediums should charge for readings, firstly because they cannot irrefutably prove their abilities, and secondly to me it does not seem fitting to make a living out of someones grief and upset (excluding professionals). I would also like to point out that a lot of psychics do give life changing advice, and how many do you suppose are qualified to do so? I also take into account that mediums need to make a living, but why do you think so many people are working in this industry - simply because it is easy money. Anyone can set up shop as a tarot reader or psychic, and charge upwards of ?30 per reading or ?1.50 a minute in the case of psychic phone lines. I also appreciate there are two different sets of motives for working as a psychic / medium 1) are those that have sat in development and truly believe that what they are doing helps people and 2) those that just buy a pack of cards and charge outrageous prices to con people.

Apart from the 1951 Mediums Act, there is no regulation of psychics and mediums, all other professions abide by regulations and governing bodies, and most require certification. I am aware the SNU has its own system for certification. Psychics and Mediums cannot get public liability / professional indemnity insurances (some do however register as healers, and are then covered by that insurance policy).

[Suebh]

In reply to your thinking that psychics or mediums should not charge I will ask are you either psychic or a medium and where does your thinking stems from?

I have training in counselling, psychology, tarot, runes, angel cards and many other psychic tools, mediumship, conflict resolution, community leadership, business management and many other studies over the years. I use all of my knowledge when asked to do so. I do not push myself upon others, I will not have others push themselve upon me. I do not always charge for my sharing of knowledge and will do so willingly when asked. But on occasion I do charge(not excessive as that is something that I disagree with), my time is valuable, I value myself. The proof is in the pudding as the saying goes and some people just dont like puddings whatever form they take! I am not here to please everyone, I am here to do the best I can. If it is not to your liking, I am not forcing myself upon you. I accept you opinion and again would ask where your thinking stems from so as I can reach an understanding of those thoughts.

Sue

[J-lynn]

Yes, I do have powers and I do help people with them. I just happen to disagree with charging people in need.

[Suebh]

I dont have 'power' accept over myself and in my choices. I do not and never had and had a desire to have power over people. I have an ability. I have no problem with people choosing to not charge, it is a wonderful act of kindness. I do my deeds of kindness in other ways. How many people are on boards complaining about Doctors charging them? or about having to pay to see their favourite singer/dancer/artist or whatever. Pyschics are easy meat huh? What people dont fully understand they will often ridicule and blame. Peace be with you, I am happy in my shell.

Sue

[J-lynn]

No offense,
But I don't think doctors or concerts of singers/dancers/ext. are the same at all. Yeah, I guess maybe doctors because they help people. And no, I don't think psychics are 'meat'. We are not blaming/ridiculing anyone.. this is a debate almost EVERYWHERE and it will be for a very long time. We're just expressing our opinions... I don't think any of us think your bad people or you need to be 'punished' OR anything like that if you charge. It does make some question, and like I said before, I just think it seems wrong. But it's our opinions, and I respect yours 100%. But please do not start putting words in my mouth like power over people or accusing me and others of ridicule and blaming..

[Andrea]

Some doctors and consultants if seen privately may charge between ?70 - ?120 per hour, but you have to bear in mind that they have all been to university to study their chosen field for many years. If you were to have an hours consultation with a psychic on the phone at ?1.50 per minute this would cost ?90, and the person carrying out the call may have just been self taught from buying a pack of tarot. Do you think the rates are reasonable for the service given?

(pound sign does not seem to work on this forum)

[butterfleye]

over the last days i have been discussing these issues with the guides. there is a need to build a psychic support network. as we share our evolving abilities, a greater range of tools would be available for each of us. there are means of validating any channelled information, unfortunately most mediums cannot multi-taks while in trance. however, this is something i have learned over the years, by necessity, and it can be taught! there's also other means to validate psychic comunication. we were thinking of working out some basic guidelines for people to use. everyone registered on this network would gain some training relating to certain formats of sending information. of course it would depend on how developed your abilities are. for instance we could agree to tuning in using an image or waveform then exchange some key info, just like a phone number? keep in mind that some places are very busy and it may take several attempts.

anyone familiar with writing to the guides? (tracing energy forms through language?)

by the way, money is an issue that has been brought up. its involvement creates artificial structures and prevents us from been able to give support to each other easily. Anyone who thinks to need the money for survival, ask the guides for alternatives. i don't think i would ever find myself without support, my work is important, and i am paid with gifts of the spirit. money's 'cheap' and shops sell rubbish.



treasure in the box, litter in the bin. save the planet.

[butterfleye]

i would not have thought that the guides would affiliate to a human-based organisation. they are wary of human politics and prefer to work with individuals (maybe if you are a representative). the deal is a different one altogether. if an idividual pledges allegiance to a spirit support group. such a partnership implies a greater input from both sides. this partnership cannot be given to anyone whose loyalty are with any other organisation. basically i would lose this connection if i would start working for commercial organisation (unless it's offered to me via the guides as a kind of placement situation)

[Sibyl]

Originally Posted by butterfleye

i would not have thought that the guides would affiliate to a human-based organisation. they are wary of human politics and prefer to work with individuals (maybe if you are a representative). the deal is a different one altogether. if an idividual pledges allegiance to a spirit support group. such a partnership implies a greater input from both sides. this partnership cannot be given to anyone whose loyalty are with any other organisation. basically i would lose this connection if i would start working for commercial organisation (unless it's offered to me via the guides as a kind of placement situation)

You are quite right - guides do not affiliate to a human based organisation - they affiliate to their medium and allow the medium to make his or her own choices as to which organisation, if any, she prefers to affiliate to and.... contrary to popular opinion, guides do not care if mediums charge or not. They have an appreciation of what life on earth is like and while deploring the need to store riches, they certainly appreciate people need money so they can survive. As soon as we get away from this idea that mediumship is a gift the better will payment for ability sit with people. Everyone is psychic and has mediumistic potential which they may or may not choose to develop. These are abilities and we all have them, cos if we go to the nth degree and say they are God given gifts, then so is every ability and talent we may all have for we all originate from the God energy. So can we keep mediumship where it belongs, with everyone, not any chosen few.

Until every medium is trained, or has his knowledge and abilities assessed by his peers, then the standard of mediumship will never attain the level at which we can all be proud to be associated with. I am proud to stand and be counted, as I am conscious of appalling psychic/imaginary readings discrediting mediumship and it needs to be monitored and stopped.

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