[coke]

I'm looking on a few sites but does anyone else know of some credible sites where OBE's are proven real? like...your physical body laying in a hospital and your spirit body floating somewhere and you prove it's real like a conversation heard and brought back knowing of it. Got a few days to post some stories to an atheist.

[SaintLoola]

Personally, I would just leave the atheist alone. You could sent an atheist a thousand convincing stories and he or she will find a way to discredit every single one of them. I know I would, if only because I wouldn't want someone else forcing their beliefs on me.

[coke]

Yeah, you're right and i don't really care anymore. I told him i'm not going to bother trying to convince him of anything, he will have to convince himself his own way. I said i could post about the story that a guy who was in a hospital and never been to the roof, goes to the roof and comes back and describes what it is like up there ony to get 100% accuracy of what is was without knowing....real OBE. i said he would probably just say it was a couincidence and ask me for evidence. If that happened i would probably just end the discussion. He already blew this one off

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence02.html

Example 4...said she heard her. Also says because there are so few it's just a couincidence, yada yada yada.

[HORLET]

Very true! Atheists, Agnostics and the like need to experience Faith . As you probably know, it's a "from inside-out" type of things. No evidence can make them change their minds for the better.

Even if it does, they will get back to their original beliefs as quickly as the image of the "proof" fades in their mind. Nothing is permanent from the "outside-in"

That explains why the spiritual masters are really cautious when it come to "miracles" in front of non-believers...

[coke]

I'm assuming Agnostic is this...not quite sure what to believe? that sounds like me if true. Agnostic. Also no offense but faith means nothing except to you, can't really rely on faith alone. Of course the Atheists would say faith is blind because just because you believe in something and put faith in it, doesn't mean it's true, you just want it to be true. that is true, though. That's why we put our beliefs into faith, we wanna believe it's true. Anyway i know science isn't everything, i mean science wont tell you your purpose of life....nobody knows the purpose of life. It's different to everyone...to you spiritualists it's love, to others it's other things. I don't know what it is, sometimes i go completly insane thinking about it. Although maybe we are pointless? we are small in something big (universe) afterall. Anyway i like everyones insight of things related to obe's, afterlife, etc.

[HORLET]

Originally Posted by coke

I'm assuming Agnostic is this...not quite sure what to believe? that sounds like me if true. Agnostic. Also no offense but faith means nothing except to you, can't really rely on faith alone. Of course the Atheists would say faith is blind because just because you believe in something and put faith in it, doesn't mean it's true, you just want it to be true. that is true, though. That's why we put our beliefs into faith, we wanna believe it's true. Anyway i know science isn't everything, i mean science wont tell you your purpose of life....nobody knows the purpose of life. It's different to everyone...to you spiritualists it's love, to others it's other things. I don't know what it is, sometimes i go completly insane thinking about it. Although maybe we are pointless? we are small in something big (universe) afterall. Anyway i like everyones insight of things related to obe's, afterlife, etc.

loll!

1st of All, I am not a Spiritualist

Secondly, what you put forward is true and I do apologize to all readers if my definition of Faith was vague. I wasn't referring to blind faith whatsoever ; which is obviously not enough to hang on to, so to speak. What I am referring to is Active and Intelligent Faith based on solid foundations and which bears fruits that you can see

If it is not that, then yeah, I would side with the Agnostics and the Atheists because they would be right as far as I am concerned.

The Faith I am referring to is something to be experienced from the inside. If you haven't yet experienced it then I wish you that. For those who have experienced it, they know perfectly what I am talking about.

As you said "nobody knows the purpose of life. It's different to everyone" and that I believe , is the Beauty of Life

[mr woodcock]

I love the All Gods are One God sign....did you do that yourself? thanks

[HORLET]

Originally Posted by mr woodcock

I love the All Gods are One God sign....did you do that yourself? thanks

Thanks! No, it is not by me.

[Lavanda Dolce]

Originally Posted by coke

I'm looking on a few sites but does anyone else know of some credible sites where OBE's are proven real? like...your physical body laying in a hospital and your spirit body floating somewhere and you prove it's real like a conversation heard and brought back knowing of it. Got a few days to post some stories to an atheist.

In college I took a metaphysics course. The instructor, a very good psychic medium who only worked for the police dept.s and free of charge, told me that I had the capabilities to have OBE. However, I will tell you that the few times I've experienced odd things occuring as I was laying down to go to sleep...it scared the daylights out of me so bad that in no way am I open to even wanting to experience it! no way. By the way....I did see a show on television, years ago, in which the man who had OBE was able to go into other peoples homes and describe things that were placed in specific area's and the peoples bedrooms that were "not normal" things and things that no way would he have known unless he was there. YIKES!!!

[fastz28camaro1981]

Why don't you find out where this Non believer lives, and tell him/her that you will astral travel to his/her place, and tell them afterwards where everything is in their place, in some cases you can read their thoughts, so I have heard, so you could tell them what they were thinking, that's proof