[Mike Winther]

Hello everyone

Not really sure how to start this to be honest. I had what I think is an OBE with evidence the next morning( if someone sheds light into this it would be appreciated). It happened one night back when I was 20 in the middle of the week.. and NO...there was no drinking, drugs or stress induced moments of my life that would have affected this moment. It was summer time and average temperature for the time. The door was closed and locked but the windows were open (yet screens were there) and I lived on the third floor at the time. I fell asleep and started 'dreaming' that I was leaving my apartment in the middle of the night by somehow flying up into the dark sky over the city. I could actually feel the warm breeze as i was 'flying'. It was very peaceful looking down on the city. Out of the corner of my right eye I saw coming at me at the last second a crow (how I saw this in the dark I do not know).. and we collided at roughly a 90% angle. The crow and I went in opposite directions both feeling the affects of a collision. The crow flew away in a groggy state.. much as I felt.. and my body/spirit basically said.. time to get your **** home. I woke up with a headache not really thinking much about it until I felt a goose egg on my head. I went into the bathroom to see a bump on my head with a small cut.. and two feathers :| matted into my hair with blood. It F R E A K E D me out. I tried to find an answer to it. Looking for a dent in the drywall in the apartment.. blood drops on the floor in the hallways... I even was looking outside for crow feathers. I did not sleep for 3 days after this happened.. and NO.. did not keep the feathers.. they were thrown out almost immediately. Can anyone give me info on this please?

[Sibyl]

Hi

I am afraid I cannot make sense of this at all as if you were out of your body you would float thru material objects, such as walls, windows and even crows so there could not be a physical collision. The only thing I can think of is that the bird had forced its way into your bedroom and hit you but would a bird, even the size of a crow, leave a bump on your head.

Am afraid this one's got me beat

luv
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always keep the evidence; you should have photographed the bump, kept the feathers, and spoken to someone immediately you got up and recorded the conversation.

[akkayakr]

No one can help you much, you threw out all the evidence, the blood, and the feathers should have been kept and examined.

Your experience could have been part lucid dream though. Not all astral experiences are without touch, taste, and the sense of sounds. you can have the astral equivalent of physical interactions, it depends on how focused your consciousness is at that time. Being use to physical only could easily have made you think the moment before contact that "this bird is going to hit me" and anticipating this collision you had a physical experience.

But, Coming back with physical evidence could be in part a meaningful message of sorts, that is the purpose for having the dream was not an accident of astral a OBE, but an intended message for you. I would not have a clue what it could mean for you. The physical presence of a material encounter could be purposeful placed there by your spirit guide. Your animal totem may be a Crow or Raven or this black bird.

Lucid dreams can be vary physical feeling. I once was dreaming nonsense and the I became aware of dreaming. As I did, I become aware that dream began to fade and a new one with higher awareness focused in. While in this dream I became aware that it was lucid and I could watch the dream without effecting the out come intentionally, I became aware of a presence and while I watch this dream I asked the presence who was not seen but only felt, a question. The presence answered while I was watching this dream. This dream began to fragment like a digital effect or thousands of tinny little mirrors that were reflecting the dream light to me faded and I sensed I was standing on a steep mountain side in a dry desert. I knew the mountain, it was mount Sinai and I could feel someone behind me, I turned and saw God looking like my impression of Jesus waring a blue and yellow garments (vary smart looking). Standing in the air and above me he then spoke to me.

"I AM"

It was vary powerful, every atom in the entire universe including the ones in my body all vibrated, resonated in harmony with the sounds of those words. The energy was intense and placed me back in bed sitting up with loud shout in the middle of the night. I was startled, and laughing at my reaction, and sad because I had just missed my chance at knowing the answer to the question "Why?"

[Tuesday]

Finally, another person who has had an experience like this. I've scouted forums on OBEs and astral projection but you are the first person who has had an experience that is greatly more physical than mine. First, let me compare mine to yours

It happened about a year back, I was dozing off in my bed when suddenly I heard the sea. I opened my eyes and somehow there i was on a beach. The waves crashed against the shore with such vivid and real noises and colours I generally felt like this was no dream. I could not move my arms and legs, but I turned over and saw a small dust wall of sand blowing towards me. I closed my eyes to shield them, opened them once more and I was back in my bed, my hair, eyelids, toes, mouth and all nooks of my body covered in sand. Naturally I was a little F R E A K E D as you put it, and it has been one of my reasons for searching into astral projection.

However yours seems much more powerful than mine. Mine lasted 5 - 10 seconds and all I got was a face load of sand after, but you had feathers and a cut, and by the sounds of it your dream must have lasted a hell of a lot longer than mine. I honestly cant figure out what these experiences are, but I'll do a little more searching and find the answer.

[akkayakr]

Well these are interesting alright. There is a possible explanation but would have never expected it to occur from an OBE and at the same time by accident.

There are accounts through out the histories of different culture where persons have materialized things from out of no where by observation.

C. W. Leadbeater writes about it as if to describing how it would be done. Paramahansa Yogananda (Autobiography of a Yogi) watched it being done, the Bible tells of it being done.

I will likely butcher this trying to explain it, Leadbeater spent chapters on this and he is knowledgeable and articulate.

He describes there are 7 planes, and each plane can be is composed of a finer order of matter than the one preceding it. Each plane can be understood as having 7 states of matter in it. For the physical plane it would start with Solid, Liquid, Gaseous, Atomic, Subatomic, and 2 others. Each of these phases are higher vibrational energy then the last. This continues in the next higher plane but with matter of higher refinement, and so on in the next higher one. Leadbeater states that there is an etheric body that acts like a frame work for the physical body, that all matter in the physical has this and it is like a template of things, how they are composed in the physical. He said that if you were in the astral you could put you mind to think on something ( in this case we will call it SAND ) and it would form in the astral. If you thought completely enough about it the ethereal lattice of sand would form and then the physical elements would be attracted to the lattice and sand would be formed in the physical. But he said if you composed it in the astral it would not last long. That it would have a longer life if you had gone to the causal plane and started your composition on that plane, it would then form on the mental plane, then the astral, then the physical and it's life would be longer.

In the Astral your environment is not an exact duplicate on the physical, and your minds thinking influences sometimes variations on what you see there, like the environment is forming according to the will of your thoughts.

It might be that when the black bird collided with Mike he expected a vary physical hit and imagined the feathers, or when Tuesday was on the sand knew it's texture when and was focusing on that. Both became conscious having brought back elements of there last impressions that happened to form the elemental refection here in the physical.


Like I said it is a real stretch. There are acts in both religion and history documentation of things taking form from out of know where. Read some of the works of the authors listed above for the curious.

[teresagalo]

Hello. I have been experiencing out of body experiences as well as lucid dreaming for many many years now. The out of body experiences start with a very low, deep and very loud vibration in my ears which is usually very uncomfortable. I then lift out and usually fly about. Lately, the vibrations have changed in frequency and are very high pitched and feel centered in my ear drum. This too is very uncomfortable. Also, sometimes I don't hear vibrations at all, just a warm feeling on my face and in my head and I know I can lift out at this time. Recently, I have noticed this warm, fuzzy sensation in my face and in my head while I am standing about in waking life during the day time. I feel like if I give myself the ok, I can go into a full o.b.e. at that point while I am standing there. I am concerned that if I allow myself to give into the o.b.e while I am standing, will I fall? Has anyone ever experience this transition during the daytime while standing about? I am concerned about this. I would appreciate any info. Thanks.

[akkayakr]

Teresagalo:
You can indeed have and OBE while in the wake state. I think that due to the frequency of your liftoffs your lower chakrams are kind of tuned in. I would say that since you are also tuned into the onset feelings that are present prier to an OBE that you should also be quite able to keep them from happening as well, so I would not worry about traveling without permission from mission control.

In church once we were done with the Youth Group meeting and we in the middle of prayer when I happen to notice a blank stare in the gals face sitting next to me. I talked with her as she seemed upset afterwards and she said she was just sitting there and then all of a sudden she was in the center of the circle sitting on the ceiling looking down on all of us. That was her first experience so she was quite freaked out about it.

I have not had any such experiences like that but once while I was driving through the desert in a car without air conditioning I shot past the sleepy phase straight into a dream, visually inside the dream while doing about 60 miles/hour. I thought, Good Lord I am driving and I snapped back to normal consciousness. I laid a damp cloth across the back on my neck and it happened again. The risk was to great even to others along the road so I parked along the road and risked taking a nap in the heat in the 115 degree heat.

[Nat]

I' ll second that, yes you can have obe's whilst wide awake. I first suspected I might be able to do this coz my arms kept coming out in the middle of doing things. I was not sure what was happening tho initially, and I think my, "what the ..." reaction to it would naturally stop it. When I finally decided to just do it, it was spur of the moment, (so I did not have time to chicken out ..lol)I was in the middle of washing dishes actually, and just walked off lied down, let go, and seconds later was out. Numerous times I have done it totally awake too, not just this time.

I am not sure I understand the comments about lower chakra's being 'tuned in' tho, ... I could often be having an objective chit chat with spirit, sometimes about doing it before doing it, which as far as the 'supposed' chakra involvement goes, would indicate my upper chakra's (my throat in particular for clairaudience) were very tuned in or I would not have had communication so clearly.

Nat xxx

[akkayakr]

Hay Nat!

Yeah, just how much which ones are involved in doing what they are doing I am not really sure. In general the lowest chakram is often called the seat of the soul harboring the power of the Kundalini. The next chakram up from that is the Sacral and when the appropriate amount of energy is raised or focused here there is the ability to waking state OBE on the Astral. I read that light healers suggest this as the doorway to the astral. The sacral is often called the center of emotions and the astral plane is called the emotional plane or desire plane as it is sensitive to the suggestions of your thoughts.

The sensing of psychic hearing, taste and smell is associate with the throat chakra,
and psychic visualizing is through the third eye area of forehead, but unless I am off on this, those are areas where impressions come through to us, but going there (the astral plane) in the consciousness like in an OBE maybe more about where this energy is raised too.

Perhaps accidental OBE can occur without the use of the energy of the kundalini, in other words maybe there are other process that allow for the occurrence of it other then the use of the kundalini unconsciously, I don't know, there is so much to know and often written resources vary on there understanding.

However David Pond author of "Chakra for the Beginners" says " The Sixth Chakra perspective takes you to the astral plane, and you are advised to know your way around this level of collective consciousness if your are to spend time there." The latter part of this sentence points to a caution of the times we live in, the the astral is also troubled with much fear, perversion, guilt and shame being sensitive to our impressions as human society influence. Rudolf Steiner say that we must develop the ability to not think about or influence our surroundings with our thoughts as they will cloud our impressions of what is really is there (while being on the Astral).

It is interesting that there are 7 primary chakrams and 7 planes of consciousness. However before anyone considers thinking about working with the kundalini I would caution them to learn everything you can before embarking on that, once the kundalini awakens it is a process that may not respond if you change your mind, it will continue though it's awakening process. Many people go through emotional upsets for many years and some endure physical suffering. I think this is one of the intended reasonings behind religions having ingrained in the ideas of laws and aspects of dogma. By living a more virtuous life (like the eight-fold path ) there is less difficulty to the awakening of the true spirit that is within us. However the adding of the idea of Hell, and guilt from dogma teachings also has it's negative effect on our perceptions of experiences in the Astral. Some people may think they are possessed, or sining, or Satin is after there soul if they have an experience, and often time the church has forgotten or has no knowledge of astral OBE or Paranormal experience, and so many people expect them to have this knowledge.

All negative emotions and actions can cause disruptions of our energy system of our bodies and how they perform and how energy flows. The channels for the energy must be clear and your mind and heart with it for a smooth transitions into awakening. Awakening the kundalini to unlock that power can be vary disrupted to you. It is likely that every negative emotion you have is a result of disruptions in your energy system. EFT uses this as a discovery statement to help balance aspects of your energy system, the proof that it exist is in the results of ending headaches, emotional problems, phobias, personal guilt and many kinds of suffering. The results are cures, often in just a few minutes. Look up EFT on the internet if you are interested. I have chronic back aches and it gives me relief for it.

Well I am still learning about them Nat, there is a long way for me to go. good luck your development, I may look you up on the other side and say hello.

[carlosspaul]

It's very strange as OBEs don't normally bring back physcial objects likes blood and feathers, although the flying over the city may have been an OBE or a dream. Theres no definate evidence there I'm afraid.

Somtimes while asleep dreams and OBEs memories can get mixed up. Some nights you may remember bits of both. Also if you are dreaming and say someone threw water over you, you may dream that you fell in a lake, then woke up wet.

I know it sounds far out, but is there any other way those feathers Etc. could of got there while you were alseep, and this got confused with your dream or OBE? I know it sounds unlikely, but what happened is extremely strange.