[Nat]

A lot of people are talking about demons, etc, as tho they are facts when as Sy said there are usually other explanations for strange occurrences, ... but if someone does not make responses pointing this out then I for one fear people are going to come to this site, read these threads, and think these idea's which come from fear/control based religions, television, and misinformation on the internet, etc, have something to do with or are accepted by Spiritualism, or that spirit communication in general is a hit and miss spooky thing to do, ... and so, these disempowering concepts get perpetuated further causing more and more people unnecessary fear, and are idea.s which they then in turn pass on to others.

It seems such an uphill battle as it is to get people to look for explanations which they may find have nothing to do with such idea's at all, and I can appreciate people not wanting to be suggesting others have their facts wrong, but without the opposing view, this site will be just another method by which such idea's will do the rounds, and I think that would be pretty sad considering how hard it is - particularly in certain parts of the world - to find people who approach spirit without all the hocus pocus, drama, and nonsense that so often finds itself attached where it ought not be.

I am certainly not saying residual energy can not be left on items and places, but that is all it is - residue, it has no consciousness with which to cause anyone harm. I am not even going to say all spirits are lovely, (that comes over equally fluffy to me in the opposite direction) ... my opinion tho, is take a look around where you live right now, remove the bodies, and you have the same spirits left, ... for the most part tho most people are nice enough and do not mean others any ill will. Those very rare people who might tho, do not suddenly become demons in spirit, just as good people do not suddenly become angels, and it certainly does not equate that people think the majority of spirits are up to no good, the numbers just don't add up, it makes no sense, and it is certainly of no relevance to anyone who is not actually a medium in any case coz they would not have contact with spirit of any manner anyway, ... and if they did, they can simply break the link, tell them to take a hike, or whatever. It seems very obvious to me that Sy is correct, - that people are feeding false fear in to situations and their mind is doing the rest to create a false reality of what is going on.

It should also be borne in mind that a lot of what is deemed spooky (when it may not be) is attributed to spirits when in fact it may be due to the people's own energy (probably heightened by the fear they are putting out there) having the ability to cause interference with electrical items, move objects, cause negative feeling and emotions, etc, etc. This is even worse when multiple people are all buying into and feeding this energy collectively, and can end up in a vicious cycle. People would benefit best from looking to themselves in such cases rather than 'pinning the pitchfork on the demon' so to speak or even on each other, which only creates more fear, and so it goes on, and on, and on, and on ....

Having some sound knowledge about such things removes the power to create this fear, and thereby the power to cause these disturbances to begin with. Hey presto - cycle broken!

Nat xxx

[Jennalee]

If there are angels how come there can't be demons? Historically angels were thought to have great battles with demons, no?

When I refer to demons I don't mean demons as in monsters and the devil. I don't know the correct definition of "demon," to me it just means an evil spirit, perhaps I use the word too loosely but I think most people do.

All throughout history speaks of demons and devils and vengeful spirits and many cultures practice cleansing rituals using amulets, good luck charms or what have you and no matter what you tell them they'll hold onto their beliefs.

People come onto this forum to discuss their paranormal experiences because it disturbs them and they want to share their experiences with others who have gone through the same. They are looking for comfort and to soothe their fears of the unknown and they can speak openly and anonymously about their experiences where elsewhere they'd be ridiculed for their colorful tales of an overactive imagination.

I grew up in a culture that is very superstitious and incorporates "feng shui" in their everyday living. Feng Shui is starting to get recognized in the US now but my culture has been practicing for centuries. Really the idea is to ward off negative energy and is all about surrounding yourself with positive energy. The practice of warding off bad luck, ghosts and demons is very feng shui.

[Jennalee]

Originally Posted by Nat

my opinion tho, is take a look around where you live right now, remove the bodies, and you have the same spirits left, ... for the most part tho most people are nice enough and do not mean others any ill will. Those very rare people who might tho, do not suddenly become demons in spirit, just as good people do not suddenly become angels

And I don't believe that people die and their spirits turn into demons. If demons do exist I think they are a totally different "being." If somebody tells me they were saved by an "Angel" who am I to tell them they are wrong and it never happened.

Are all Angels a product of a deceased person turned Angel? Or are there Angels that were always Angels and will always remain so. When I think of demons this is how I think of them. They were created just to be a demon and are not necessarily bad spirits that have turned this way like you mentioned above.

This is the way I've always thought of them, I'm not saying this is the way it IS. This is just how I envision it. But as I said above, I use the term very loosely and when I speak of demons I'm not necessarily talking about an evil monster from hell.

[Sy]

hey jenna
i am only trying to give you some understanding and knowledge on what ghosts and spirits are and can and cant do.and that fear is a major porblem with alot of people.my concern is that soo many people do come here and read these threads with misunderstandign of spirit and ghosts and it creats that circle like
Nat said. there are other explainations to anything and everything,and we cant jsut close our eyes to rational explainations can we? wouldnt you want knowledge and understanding?wouldnt you want this false fear illimated so these occuances arent beciomeing a false reality?yes many of you share similar experiences which are experiences based on fear.like nat said when you gain understanding fear disappears ther fore the mind isnt working over time so to say.it is good to be skeptical when it comes to these experiences isnt it? i am trying to soothe those fears of the unknown and i am definatly not rediculing anyone.i am jsut saying dont underestemate the power of fear and your mind.
love and bright blessings
Sy xxx

[Nat]

Hi Jenna,

I did originally post on the end of my comments that I was not trying to discount anyone's beliefs or experiences, but trying to give some balance to them and perhaps some alternatives for people reading the thread to consider before deciding on the worst. I decided to delete it tho because I suppose knowing my own intent, (tho I can see now perhaps others didn't - thank you for pointing it out) it seemed obvious to me what I meant, and to state it was rehashing an opinion I felt was already made, ... tho not in so many words.

Yes, Jenna, I had negated in my thought process to allow for demons to be created entities (as many presume angels to be), ... because I do not tend to think of classes in spirit. Quality, most definitely, but both the concept of angels and demons to me, are the two extremes of the evolvement of spirit, but terms applied where I see no actual division - just graduations. Not to mention the distinct lack of evidence. It is all spirit to me and I don't find labels necessary or productive. So I guess I have spoken loosely as applicable to my own thoughts too.

In any case, I said what I said because I have been there, done that, and I have a whole wardrobe full of T-Shirts to prove it. I can tell you too that the person who empowered me to take charge of living in what I equated to a never endiding re-run of a poltergeist movie, does not even agree with my conclusion of what was going on, ...(funnily enough does not rebutt it either ..lol :wink: ), ... but it does not matter in any case - having some knowledge, recognizing I was in control of my experiences (whatever they were) made me the boss of them rather than the victim to them. I can tell you tho nothing imagined, nor real, is going to bother me because I will never let anything or anyone have the power to determine my reactions ever again. What I wanted to get across is that the right mind set can overcome anything, and I do not want people to be afraid where they need not be, ... and I include you Jenna in my wish for that to be the case. Xxx

Take Care Hun
Nat xxx

[Jennalee]

No, thank you for your responses. Most of us newbies come here for your experiences and your opinions and I do find them valuable. I never knew the differnece between ghosts and spirits but reading through this forum for 30 minutest set that straight for me. Although I'll still probably throw the word "ghost" out there left and right because that's how we've learned to use it.

I do enjoy a nice friendly debate from time to time (well maybe debate is too harsh of a word) and I think everybody can learn from that and I'm very interested in learning more about the paranormal and very excited to hear of everybody's experiences and how they are similar to my own.

And everybody should listen to me now and accept everything I saw as FACT because apparantly now I am a Guru! :wink: Well, at least in this forum but I don't think anybody that knows me personally would agree with me holding that title! :lol:

[oktor]

often people just don't get on, personalily clashes. areas have personalities as well, thats why myth is full of so many different gods, different personalities for different areas. families also have underlining personalities, guardians and guides. when a family moves to a new area it's a good idea to talk with the locals first. close your eyes and look to the sky, tell the locals who you are and where you came from, tell them if they want to know more about you they should speak with the spirits of the place you just came from. your obviously a strong family with strong spiritual beliefs, similarly if you moved into a block of flats and turned your music up full on the first day you would get the attention of the locals and perhaps a black eye.
it would fall upon you to speak with them but the attacks wouldn't be directed at you, the spiritual strength of your family is to strong, instead the attack is directed at your partner, he's the weak link they can use to drive you out.
good luck i hope this is to late and you've already solved the problem.