[drusila]

a buddhist?

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/ar...age_jesus.html

the above link questions the missing 18 years of jesus. it asks if jesus was known to the buddhists as "st essa" and lived in different lands during the years he "disappeared".

it makes for very interesting reading, if a bit long. the story of essa and his demise have very strong similarities with those of jesus.

i once saw a documentary claiming (i think) jesus was the dalai lama. i didn't catch it all and i can't really remember it, but this story of essa seems to go along the same lines.

what do you think?

i'm not sure if this is the right forum for this subject, but nothing else seemed to fit. if it gets moved, can the moderator please pm me so i can find it? lol

[Nat]

I don't know about this one way or another ...but I bid a ridiculous price on ebay to get a book called, "He walked among us" which had accounts of many tribes of Native Americans legends talking about Jesus doing the rounds there too, .... maybe he was a Shaman then too? (lol) ....maybe he encompassed humanity as a whole rather than any particular religion which still has following today. Maybe just no one recorded anything about his formative years and he went no where. It is all very interesting tho.

Nat xxx

[drusila]

it is. personally, i don't believe jesus was the son of god (biologically) sent to earth to be our saviour.

but i do believe he was a very spiritual bod, perhaps a very strong medium and was almost definitely a prophet with a message.

i think it makes more sense that he would have travelled the globe rather than stay in one place to teach a small number of people.

this book you got sounds interesting. who was the author and is it still available in print?

dru x

[Nat]

I can't seem to find my copy right now so tried to check the net for you for the author. No luck, but I found another book with the same title also about Jesus - by Josh McDowell. I read the reviews on it and it is not the same book. McDowells version is just evidence for JC existing - the one I have is a yellow hard cover and very clearly the Native Americans legends believed by some to have been referring to JC. There is also another book with the same title by Norman Spinrad, ... but that is a sci-fi one.

When I find it I will let you know the author (a woman if I recall correctly) but thought I better give you the other info incase you went looking for it and got the wrong book. Yes, I believe the version I have is out of print. Anyway, I'll let you know more when it turns up.

Nat xxx

...and yes, travelling probably would make sense if he was on a mission to 'spread the word', ...the apostle's certainly got around - so why not.

[Sibyl]

Read The Zarkon Principle - lent mine out and it never found its way home. A fascinating read.

I understood Jesus was studying during those missing years with the Essenes?

luv
vi

[drusila]

Originally Posted by Sibyl

I understood Jesus was studying during those missing years with the Essenes?

luv
vi

sounds a bit like Essa........ hmmmm

[LadyKira]

. . . I can't believe noone's yelled how 'Jesus is our savior and the son of of God!' or 'He was a Christian, not a Buddhist!'(despite the fact that Christianty(sp?) didn't exist until after he died, and, as far as I can remember, he was Jewish).

Anyways, it's highly improbable that Jesus was Buddhist considering the fact that he lived in some Arabian area, and Buddhism was pretty much still an Asian only religion back then(as far as I'm aware).

[Nat]

oooh, am glad this thread got revived, coz I found that book a while back Dru, but I had no idea in the multitude of posts where this convo had actually come up and had not got around to hunting the thread down. Der, I suppose I should have just tried the sites search function. :roll:

Seems I made a furbie on that title, ... it is actually called, "He walked the Americas", published in 1963 and written by L Taylor Hansen, ...dunno why I said female based on that name either, but I still feel it was a woman.

Interestingly, in the dedication in the front of the book, is written "To the brave Medicine Man of the Seri who was blinded for telling the legend of The Healer without the permission of the tribe". Wow, they took that pretty seriously if it is to be believed. :shock:

I bought the Zarkon Principle too Vi, but it is in the yet to be read pile (it almsot seems like I collect books and don't read any of them since so many are in that pile ...lol) so no comment as yet.

Nat xxx

[akkayakr]

There is historical scrolls in Tibet that have been witnessed by two different expeditions claiming to have seen writings of the teachings of Issa. These texts are kind of like a historical record of important teachings. They were written down when they were presented by various people who where important during the time they lived, so the scripts are not about Issa as a person but include teachings from Issa while also including teachings from others of that time period. The younger monks are required to keep the text of ancient scrolls in safe keeping from the decay of time by copying them for thousands of years.

So the text that include Issa are not consolidated as text of Issa. In both of the expeditions the travelers won the respect and trust of the people. The first was a Russian traveler "Notovitch" in the 1800's who stayed with them for about two years. It was consented that the text could be transcribe for him and he later offered them up in a book. The time period of Issa is around the time of Jesus and the scrolls say that he often taught by a lake under tree setting and also was know to have not only great knowledge, but was known as a Buddha ( meaning he has reach that level of enlightenment ), he also had great healing powers and was know to be able to bring life back into those who had died. Issa was a foreigner from the west and learned to read and write in there language and spent much time learning of their culture and teachings and sharing teachings from his land and from India. The scrolls say that he left and went back to the west to his home to teach there. Later it was written that traders coming from west had also brought news that Issa/Jesus had been treated harshly for his teachings by his own people and that they and killed him by nailing him to a cross.

India also has local teachings that Jesus spent much time there learning from the Brahman. Jesus also spent time in Egypt teaching with the Essenes who later became known known as the Coptic Church. The Bible also states that Jesus was an Essene. It is easy for many to say the Essenes were Jewish as the Hebrew teachings were the common schooling of the times, so most everyone who was educated spoke and wrote in Hebrew and the teaching was the Jewish faith. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was also well educated and vary likely well traveled.

It is my understanding that Jewish teaching of that time it was common that boys of the age of about 14 were married. Jesus was likely from a vary prominent family and some say Jesus was not wanting to get married because he had a thrust for knowledge and wanted to travel and learn as much as he could about peoples culture and beliefs of God.

The missing years of Jesus teen life are interesting because this fits nicely with what is not known about Jesus life from that area. The first Testaments were written as early as 60 after the crucifixion and some believed to have been written later. The only knowledge about Jesus life to been written would have been likely eye witnessed accounts in stories and not of a historical diary of his travels to the east, because he did not teach about his journey's. His interest were enhancing the local understanding of God's love.

Whatever the real story is, it is likely I think that the real Jesus we don't really know and one of the reasons we have so many branches of Christian Faith has more to do with what we don't know then what we do. A personal frustration of mine.

So far though, everything that Jesus did by way of miracles is also witnessed to have happen in other cultures and amongst peoples of other religions. Jesus had so many wonderful sayings and the more you learn about the other religions the easier it is for you to see similar expressions and acts as the ones that Jesus did. Jesus said there are many in the kingdom of heaven who are not like us, he was talking to his apostles at the time and I have to assume he was talking of other cultures, since he was not likely referring about the damned and heathens who were raised outside of Jewish teachings as current christian theology of recent centuries have introduce dogma strongly. Jesus also counseled his apostles not to condemn the person who was teaching the teachings of Jesus in a distant town who was not an apostle and was also not known amongst them. Interesting isn't it, if this person was of the knowledge of Jesus teachings and was teaching himself then he might well have been vary familiar with them from other sources as well, as this person was not traveling with them all or known to them.

Say what you want, believe what you will. I think that you get the most out of Jesus teaching by just reading Jesus teachings or sayings. I find if I read what other people in the bible are saying then you are getting not Jesus but an interpretation with some sect prejudice. There are other testaments of those times that were not accepted by the counsel of the Canon, this includes also the book of Thomas, Jesus own brother who was an apostle. Which is interesting to note, Thomas was sent by Jesus to go to India to spread the word. The Indian's on the western coastal region are strongly Christian here and they hold great reverence for Thomas who also was known to be in the presence of Miracles. "These things I do you shall do and greater, if it were not that I have to go now".

[PILGRIMSHOST]

Im not trying to disrupt this thread. Im just saying my understand on this subject. What has been said is very interesting and I to enjoy finding out about such things.

But my contribution to this thread is that dispite all that can be said and discovered about the life and works of Jesus Christ is actually....nothing to do with Jesus!

This is not because im a fundermentalist on Christianity (been there got the t-shirt, and the signed bibles, praise and worship cds, videos, books, tickets to see Nicky Cruz, got ordained as an Evangelist, preached on the streets...)

Its not because Im a scolar in theology (been there got the perspectus, A levels, Degree, the hang over....)

Its because now after my awakening...there is no actual truth that he ever lived.

All the other things that are sited here are very possibly true, but as you'll see or allready have, are to do with the wider picture of world religious history and have inevitably spread throughout the world and been absorbed into other cultures and beliefs creating (almost) hibred religions. Or in the case of Jesus the Son of God... Just a re-telling of a very old beleif in Sun worship like a template.