[chp]

What happens to spirits given the death penalty?

With so much terrorist crime it is not surprising that many people are now calling for the reintroduction of capital punishment for certain crimes. But what happens to people that we send to the spirit world prematurely? Are we just delegating the problem to the people in the next world? Is the soul of a criminal sent to Hell or does he perhaps reincarnate immediately on Earth to wreck more havoc in the future?

What do you think? Is capital punishment a good idea?

[TraceyUK]

Well I had a man from death row in my offline circle ... the lady he came through for is a lady that has worked with death row prisonners for years ... his message was that he now understands ... felt there had been a lot of confusion, arguements and anger with this lady ... but he kept repeating how sorry he was and that he now understands in spirit.

Maybe he learnt his lesson a little too late ... but learnt it in the end with the wisdom of spirit.

[pangel]

I don't believe in capital punishment at all , we should not be playing God and taking lives prematurly. Since it's my belief that most or many of those who commit the worse crimes are in some sense very ill , then i dont feel even in spirit there would be puishment as such ( i.e hell etc ) but a need for healing and alot of learning .. so i would imagine that when we have washed our hands of criminals without giving them a chance to learn from their crime and get mentally better , this would create a lot of work for those who help in this way in spirit
it is not our right to judge and take lives of another

[KathyDV]

I believe that some people have violence in their contract, they have come to this life to learn certain lessons and sadly, violence can be the result. Is someone who receives the death penalty someone who massacred many in a previous life? That might be the reason they chose to come back and have such an ending...to learn what it felt like to rceive the punishment they served to others before this time around...

That said, I do not support the death penalty, I am just throwing out food for thought.

KathyDV

[TraceyUK]

Well ... as we all know, without bad there can't be good, everything would just be normal. We wouldn't get to know what lovely things we can experience if we didn't experience bad too.

I don't feel though that people are born bad, or that they will definately be bad at some part in their life. More so I feel we all have an ability to be bad as we do to be good, lifes lessons etc.

I feel though that if someone commits so bad a crime then they should serve a life sentence rather than be put to death, they should have to sit for years and years thinking about what bad things they have done, no getting out earlier for good behavior though, if they take a life then their life STYLE should be taken away behind bars for the rest of their lives.

I feel the death penalty is a quick and easy way out for them personally, yes they may learn their lesson quicker in spirit ... but isn't that what we are here for? to learn our lessons? If they make the families of those left behind suffer for years with loss then why shouldnt they suffer for years with guilt and shame to enable them to learn their lessons the proper way, the way we all come here to do. Personal responsibility along with compensation and retribution for all good and evil acts.

I believe that conditions on earth cause people to become what they become here. I believe once we pass we leave those conditions here on earth.

Actually I have thought on this subject allot. It seems to me the human form is a vehicle the spirit uses while here. This vehicle has a program already in tact but with limited data. The spirit that comes into this vehicle can influence and change the program with time. But the vehicle's built in program can also be damaged and altered by earth's influences. Just as a machine can run amuck for no aparent reason so can a human vehicle. So I think the more experienced a spirit is when they come in the more evolved the human vehicle will be.

As to whether there should be a death penalty. I know these type of people have to be removed from society. But what came to my mind while watching people waiting for an exacution outside a prison gate. I watched these people cheer and celebrate at the completion of an exacution. And I thought please forgive them for they know not what they do. Are we any better than a criminal when we can celebrate the taking of any life?

I absolutely think it is totally wrong to take another persons life and who gives us the right to play with lives?

As far as death penalty goes we are releasing peoples spirit and sending them home.... all because they may have caused a terrible wrong?

Why do they get to go home so simply and victims and/ or their families lives are left to remain here on earth until their time to go? And then they are left to suffer for maybe years? And yet the perpetrator of a wrongful act is given the release from all that here - by those who abhor what this person did?

It seems natural to assume that spirit will always go home as spirit are all loving and embrace any spirit who returns there.

I mean where else would spirit go?

I do believe though that there must be a place there that helps heal any spirits that need it....( a hospital type place perhaps?)

It seems natural to me to assume that some spirits would be in need of assistance perhaps in health ways.

Personally my thoughts are no matter what someone does there is always good in them somewhere - just we do need to search for it sometimes..... and isn't there a saying like if you feed negativity you breed negativity - feed positivity you breed positivity. Wouldn't it make sense to concentrate on the good parts?

Why is it the way of the people to choose to take a life? To prevent other victims maybe i can understand that thought process - but wouldn't it make sense to investigate reasons - mentally for instance - that we could solve perhaps and work on helping that person to become healthier in whatever way they need?

I believe the justice system is only to eager to get them behind bars rather than working with each individual to solve the problems if able - but now i am going off on another controversial subject - i just have strong thoughts in this field.

I do believe it is wrong to take anothers life, although i do feel if its artificial life that is a different subject altogether though.

I think you all have valid points in your posts - and i applaud you sharing this with others as i think this is a subject that needs looking into - and people to be made aware of.

Shouldn't we try to help save lives? Rather than take them?

I also agree with what you are all saying and im almost repeating what you have said too - i do think there is something out of sync when people do wrong and i do think people need to take responsibility for their actions sadly not all people do take the responsibility.

But i do think people instead of receiving the death penalty should be made to think of what they have done - and also in my idealistic view should also do much for the good of man instead of sitting and doing nothing - i have no idea what - make things? or something , but all the same we should not take their so-called life from them.

As far as terrorists are concerned they do have ultra strong beliefs - and arent we told to hang onto our faith?
To always keep your faith - its something i say myself too - so for what reasons do we say to not believe in your faith?
Because isnt that what we need to say to these people? So to me i cant make sense out of it - although i will say that i think terrorists come in may different forms.

Again there is I say no excuse for taking anothers life.

I do think also we need the whole world to change to bring these idealistics views to fruit - but if we do nothing or say nothing nothing will change and i think any little thing we do that is positive or good for mankind will surely help others.... but not to the taking of lives.

And i think the terrorist scaremonging is going overboard for those that are not terrorists but ordinary people who are mistaken as such.

And mistakes do happen....

I will get off my soapbox now,

thanks for the food for thought,
have a great day,
lostozblonde xxxxxxxxxxxx

[Bonnie]

Originally Posted by TraceyUK

I feel though that if someone commits so bad a crime then they should serve a life sentence rather than be put to death, they should have to sit for years and years thinking about what bad things they have done, no getting out earlier for good behavior though, if they take a life then their life STYLE should be taken away behind bars for the rest of their lives.

Nice idea but who is going to pay for it, prisons are already overcrowded.

[cnsbennett6]

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[chp]

Maybe it would be more appropriate to teach yoga and meditation to people who have committed terrible crimes. This way they may eventually encounter their own conscience which is the most terrible judge and jury of all. Certainly mixing criminals with more criminals will only make matters worse.

Punishment of wrongdoers make us feel better but in the wider scheme of things I guess we have to eventually reform people. Changing the human heart (including our own) is a very hard task but is surely one of the primary goals of life on earth?

We need prevention, some punishment but most of all a cure to criminal tendencies. And that cure has to come from the person themselves. With introspection and greater self realization we draw closer to the voice of God - our conscience.

I feel that this principle must hold good in the next world where the tendencies of heart are self evident .