[Nat]

Ok, sorry, my confusion, I thought coz you put my name in your post, that you were directing it at me and had mistook me for the one who wrote about having the experience. Cool bannana's.

Nat xxx

edit - ahh, actually I read that wrong too ops:. Yep, Nat and I might be wrong, (not) ... Nat, ...and I might be wrong ..... I was punctuating on your behalf ..lol. Sorry.:lol: No prob speaking on mine, ... coz you were only reiterating what I had already said. xxx

[stargemmer]

Hi Nat,
Give me one piece of evidence that proves that what you are claiming is true, any more than other theories on sleep paralysis. I mean actual, proven axiomatic evidence scientifically sound and bound to work empirically in every test case from here on out.
You won't find one. You also won't find one for your claims about ghosts. That's what I am saying, it's not a cut and dried proposition. And Im not saying you are wrong either: I'm sure a lot of folk do get over stressed and stimulated, are experiencing and are having purely mental, or physical phenomena. But that doesn't justify invalidating all those experiences people are having carte-blanche and claiming they are deluded. and binning them out of hand as explained by this.
It's also a little, erm, conceited to dogmatically assume knowledge over others and spiritual delopment level which is patronising. I know I'm sure you do offer great solace to many who need direction, & have done, but don't assume you know it all, please. There are millions of experiences you have never had, billions, which are the domain of all the other beings and persons who live and exist everywhere and from which they all individually learn. Guidance is one thing, and letting the person choose what is actually occuring to them (they are, after all, the one having it), but this is a little more than that methinks.

[noreen]

was i dreaming or was it sleep paralysis???????????????
there was a 7 foot man standing over my bed giving me a warning about someone i knew very well, i didnt know who it was or were it came from,like i said i took notice of this 7 footer and he was right!!!!! i have even copied and paisted on this forum about sleep paralysis and i have to tell you that sleep paralysis does not give you a warning, so thank you stargemma for all of your useful info and support you have giving me over the weeks and your good with your words, god bless you in all you say and do xx nor xx[/b]

[Nat]

Originally Posted by stargemmer

Hi Nat,
Give me one piece of evidence that proves that what you are claiming is true, any more than other theories on sleep paralysis. I mean actual, proven axiomatic evidence scientifically sound and bound to work empirically in every test case from here on out.
You won't find one. You also won't find one for your claims about ghosts. That's what I am saying, it's not a cut and dried proposition. And Im not saying you are wrong either: I'm sure a lot of folk do get over stressed and stimulated, are experiencing and are having purely mental, or physical phenomena. But that doesn't justify invalidating all those experiences people are having carte-blanche and claiming they are deluded. and binning them out of hand as explained by this.
It's also a little, erm, conceited to dogmatically assume knowledge over others and spiritual delopment level which is patronising. I know I'm sure you do offer great solace to many who need direction, & have done, but don't assume you know it all, please. There are millions of experiences you have never had, billions, which are the domain of all the other beings and persons who live and exist everywhere and from which they all individually learn. Guidance is one thing, and letting the person choose what is actually occuring to them (they are, after all, the one having it), but this is a little more than that methinks.

There is evidence that sleep paralysis happens, ... it is a chemical biological and sometimes psychological phenomenon, ... but there is none that it has anything to do with ghosts. You have acknowledged yourself that SP happens, so it seems your issue and your rudeness here is simply because I don't buy in to, nor propagate, your belief that ghosts are involved.

If conceited means a whole pile of people wake up in sleep paralysis and don't go in to a panic because they have listened to me instead of you, then I shall cherish your patronization gladly.

Get used to it, coz I am going to keep telling people this whenever I think that is the case, and I am not going to be debating it with you each and every time, ... you got a problem with SP, then tell the next person who says 'sleep paralysis' coz whilst I know you find me challenging, I am getting a bit bored with you choosing to 'go' me amongst all the people all over the boards who put such experiences down to the same thing. You obviously think ghosts are involved - I don't, and I wont do as you do and put fear instilling idea's in to peoples mind because I have speculated on something that is not proven.

Oh, and I was not aware I was not allowing people to choose what is happening, ... they are quite free to not accept what I have to say, as are you. Give people more credit for not being the mindless twits such a comment suggests you must think they are. What a ridiculous statement.

Nat xxx

[noreen]

isnt people allowed an opinion on here :roll:

[Nat]

Obviously not Noreen when people take exception to those with one's that differ from their own and start making personal remarks because of it.

[noreen]

may i suggest you do it in pm,coz it might upsett other people who are reading this, including me :cry:

[Nat]

Hey, I am not the one who started calling people conceited for having their own opinions, ... it is pretty obvious who has the issue here, ... and yes, I would prefer too if Stargemmer vented her personal opinions on me for not agreeing with her in PM's too.

Nat xxx

[noreen]

i dont think stargemma has an issue with you nat, as all people has there difference of opinions in this forum in what they belive in, some people belive in sp some people dont.
i love comming on here and reading peoples stories and what they have went thro in there lives and helping people and give advice to them, i feel sorry for poor junokat i bet he/she wishes they never posted this topic, love noreen xx

[Nat]

well I am not sure what you are upset about then, or think would upset anyone else, except maybe the personal remarks, coz the general remit of this board is people sharing their differing opinions, which is otherwise, what has happened.

Nat xxx