[Sibyl]

Originally Posted by Nat

Please refer to 1951's Fraudulent Mediums Act (UK) for Legislation.

and that legislation was fought for and achieved by the SNU following the imprisonment of Helen Duncan who was the last medium to be tried under the Witchcraft Act 1735 and s4 of the The Vagrancy Act 1924

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[enna]

rofl i have never used the quote thingy before - so if i have gotten it wrong .........

I have seen bickering amongst comittee members (this is in christian spiritualist churches as well as SNU churches)

unfortunately - it is in within the human psyche to bicker and disagree - and very often it happens in the places where it is least welcommed - the problem is - that when there is an organisation that is in place to " support " a larger entity very few , when setting up these committees , consider group ethics and dynamics, and very few think to regularly upgrade the s.o.p of the group - when this happens and a point of dissention occurs you get bickering !

most times alls well that ends well - and a compromise is struck - however in the worst case scenario a faction or two evolves and things go erm i think the modern parlance is "pete tong"
in the case of a church it is more involved in that everyone tends to have their own idea of the concept of worship and belief - and as we all are aware, sadly, religion can get to be a heated debating subject.

spiritualists then need to start putting codes of practice into place, testing procedures for those practicing and the SNU should be working at trying to put some form of legislation in place

as far as i am aware - the snu do have quite rigorous codes and ethics which they expect/ask that the mediums adhere to - i do know they have many qualifications that can ( and are ) be achieved by their members .But - not everyone has the chance to attend - wants to attend - is aware they can attend snu churches to gain these qualifications

th set up , in my opinion , is rather like the qualifications that children get in schools - it is according to which school you attend as to which examination board you get assessed by ( in england - to the best of my belief and knowledge there are about 6-8 different exam boards) not all of which are accepted by the various employers - so we have the various qualifications in mediumship - there are other places that offer qualifications in mediumship apart from the snu.... and as i previously stated - getting the individual memebrs within one single church to agree is often times a major exercise in diplomacy - to get the various factions in the education of mediums to all get together !!!!!!!! call out the united nations ! lol

People are aware of spiritualist churches and centres, therefore it does not need to be advertised in order to reach members of the public.

I would like to take issue with you on this point - and i speak purely from my own experience here. Until about 3 years ago i wasn't even aware of the SNU ( i am now 46 ) in my area or the uk . there is one snu church and that is 20 miles from me - there is a christian spiritualist church about 4 miles from me but to find a contact number or their services took an invite from a friend who knew i needed some guidance and knew someone who attended this church.

some areas of england are fortunate to have a veritable plethora of spiritualist establishments - others do not - i am unfortunate in that my area of england has about 4 or 5 in a 100 mile radius - to attend any of these requires transport as none are "within walking " distance - and lol - my two "local" churches arn't on a bus route - the further from me would require a three hour travelling time ( allowing for changes of busses , 3 - and trains , 1 or 2 ) that would get me there - however i would get to the service sit for 5 mins and leave - to catch the last bus home !

so in my case - and that of many of those who live local to me - i can say no - we are not aware of the snu and what it does so - in our case - advertising and private mediums are necessity for those who wish to use their services - for us it's a case of spend thirty pounds weekly to attend a church in the hope of a message - or spend thirty punds on a private booking many prefer to go with the "certainty" of a private booking

love and light
pam xx

[Andrea]

Originally Posted by Nat

Please refer to 1951's Fraudulent Mediums Act (UK) for Legislation.

I am fully aware of this act - but how many people have been prosecuted under it?

From the link below 5 people for the period 1980 - 1995, I could not find any data for the last 11 years.

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http://www.publications.parliament.u...t/70113w04.htm

This Act is now 56 years old, and when it was passed we did not have the number of people working as psychics and mediums as we do today, readings were not carried out over the internet, magazines, television, radio and on phone lines - things have moved on since then. What about the other issues I raised?

[Sibyl]

Originally Posted by Andrea

How many people have been prosecuted under it?

From the link below 5 people for the period 1980 - 1995, I could not find any data for the last 11 years.

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http://url-publications.parliament.u...t/70113w04.htm

This Act is now 56 years old, and when it was passed we did not have the number of people working as psychics and mediums as we do today, readings were not carried out over the internet, magazines, television, radio and on phone lines - things have moved on since then. What about the other issues I raised?

The problem with this act Andrea is that people do not know it is there; they pay their money to a medium and they take their chances and if it is a bad reading they consider they were unlucky and wont recommend the medium. If it is a good one - great.

They just do not realise if anything is said in that reading such as predicting death or warning of accidents, that they have the right to seek redress through the Court. It must be the DPP who will prosecute but the fact there are no prosecutions doesnt mean the Act is not required; it has to be more widely advertised especially, as you say rightly say, there are more people working as psychics and mediums.

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[Sibyl]

Originally Posted by Andrea

I would also ask the question:

Why does mediumship need to be practiced on TV, advertised in the back of magazines and carried out via psychic telephone companies.

This just gives members of the public the impression that it is entertainment. People are aware of spiritualist churches and centres, therefore it does not need to be advertised in order to reach members of the public. What are the motives of practicing mediumship on tv by those who carry this out?

Mediumship doesnt need to be practised on TV etc. but I must say that the majority of mediums who do undertake TV work do so for the right reasons, eg TV reaches millions of people and the mediums are ever hopeful that a message being given to another may inspire viewers to seek out their local Churches and discover the truths of spirit for themselves. It is an unfortunately fact that there are some people using TV to enhance their own futures and fortunes and others just never been given air room, their mediumship is of such a poor quality.

One of the greatest mediums who ever lived, Mr Gordon Higginson, never demonstrated on TV, as far as I can ascertain. He just to say mediumship is being demonstrated in hundreds of Spiritualist Churches, week in and week out and if TV companies wish to film mediumship, then thats where they should go.

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[Old Soul]

I don't believe a "genuine" pyschic, will have to prove himself or herself or advertise themselves either...... his or her reputation will speak for itself, this type of authenticity will prove itself simply by the testimony's of others, credentials, in other words, a good medium doesn't need her own tv show, she is already in "service" working for a reputable organisation , police, missing children foundations etc etc... crime stoppers or whatever

the only time I personally would take a tv medium seriously....... is if there was a "public announcement", interupting regular broadcasting, and this medium stood on a podium made an appeal to the public viewers ......... about some nutcase out there on the lose looking to kill people... and already was doing it or something to that effect....... (would the medium actually get that kind of air time) I highly doubt it...........


i know that sounds off the wall..... but stop and think about it for a sec, seriously for a medium to do that, !! you are gonna stand up and take notice of it!!!!!!!!


I see the tv as strictly a source of entertainment, even newspapers and news stations all have a slant, half truths

as long as a tv program gets the ratings they will stay on the air...


Now I do watch the tv show Medium,, with Patricia Arket ,

1) it is a show about a medium... you know the show is entertainment, but because of the way this medium operates in her own home and with the public defender..... and the struggles she personally goes through with the GIFT... and encorperating it into her life as a normal* person........... it makes the whole idea of physcic abilities plausable if not worth looking into and researching..........

[TheWiccaWoman]

not personally having a psychic bone in my body, I would love to see a believeable psychic on the telly, the ones I've seen, on 'most haunted' and the other similar programmes just dont convince me, even though they may have psychic/mediumistic qualities, I fear that they could be there only for the 'glory' and may meerly be good actors and not real mediums, the ones I've seen give me a bad impression anyway.

I think people like the medium on Most Haunted, Derek Ackorah, was well thought of before he became so famous by being on this programme, I think the fame ruined him, I really got the impression that as the series became more popular there was the pressure on him to increase the ratings and I personally was of the opinion that he made a lot of things up as the series's went on, I'd have believed more in him if he'd simply said 'I'm sorry I dont sense anything' occasionally,

He's put me off TV mediums so much.

I would love to meet a genuine medium, I've met quite a few who just do cold readings and are definately just using 'lines' on me, so if anyone knows of a reputable medium in the Merseyside (UK) area, or one who is genuine who is on TV then please let me know.

Thanks

[Riverspirit]

I wonder whether mediumship should be practised on TV. TV shows are generally so sensationalist these days. I would not have believed anything I saw on a TV show.

Surely people are drawn by spirit to spiritualism? I was. It was personal experience which led to further exploration.

[RobsonB]

Personally I feel Derek Acorah is completely hoax, is under so much pressure to give results that you will never hear him say I am not picking up on anything. You know he has a web site offering Psychic readers, if they have any reflection on his abilities, then he's rubbish. Serious the readings offered from his site are as cold and made up as they come.

Like yourself TheWiccaWoman I have met and had many psychic / medium reading, all turned out to be incorrect, thus the motive would appear to be for nothing other than financial gain. If it is for financial gain, I would pay highly just to have a accurate reading.

If someone could recommend a accurate reader, who does have psychic or mediumship abilities, really please do let me know, willing to travel.

I'd love to have a accurate reading and be able to say something positive on this site for Psychics / mediums and clairvoyants.

Many thanks

i understand what you are all saying maybe genuine mediums and psychics are far to busy with more important things in life that have to try to explain to non believers the reason they believe life exsits after death cause you and i both know untill that person wants to see or is open they wont believe anything love and light to you all im sure one day the truth will become known cause spirit will let everyone see thier love im sure xxx