[Morrile]

Hello,

There are many here who believe, disbelieve or just in doubt about reincarnation, so I am posting this to help. These are all true facts if you wish to check and should be 'proof' enough that reincarnation exists, but you make your own mind up.

1. President Lincoln was elected to that Office in the year 1860. That, of course, can be ascertained from history books. So Lincoln became President in 1860, and here is the first 'coincidences' Kennedy became President in 1960, a hundred years later.

2. It might shake you to know that President Lincoln was assassinated on a Friday. President Kennedy was assassinated on a Friday.

3. You may have read that President Lincoln was at a theatre enjoying a stage show in the presence of his wife, and he was then assassinated in the presence of his wife. President Kennedy was visiting Dallas, Texas, and he was riding in a car with his wife. He also was enjoying the show, that is, the show of public acclaim, etc.

4. President Lincoln was shot in the back while sitting in a box at the theatre. President Kennedy was shot in the back while sitting in a car.

5. President Lincoln was succeeded by a man called Johnson. Johnson became President after President Lincoln, but in Texas President Kennedy was killed and Vice-President Johnson was sworn in as President of the U.S.A. on board an aircraft bringing the body of the late President and the living new President back to the capital.

6. But we have not finished with our list of coincidences, yet, not by a long way. The Johnson who succeeded President Lincoln was a Democrat from South U.S.A., and Lyndon Johnson who succeeded President Kennedy also is a Democrat from the South - from Texas. So that is quite a good list of ?coincidences?, isn't it: Though to show that there is more than chance taking a part in things, enough to show that there must be some ?Divine Plan? making the entity who was President Lincoln perhaps come back as Kennedy so that a task could be accomplished. All right, let's get back with ?coincidences?

7. Both the Johnsons had been members of the Senate before becoming President.

8. Lincoln's successor was Andrew Johnson. Now really read this . . . Andrew Johnson was born in 1808, but the Johnson who succeeded President Kennedy was born in 1908.

9. Lincoln was assassinated by a rather strange sort of a person, a thoroughly dissatisfied sort of person if we are to believe the report, which is now history, and that assassin of Lincoln was John Wilkes Booth and he was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald who, it was stated, murdered President Kennedy appears also to have been a very dissatisfied sort of person, one who had been in trouble all too frequently. He was born in 1939.

10. To continue with our list of 'coincidences' Booth was assassinated before he could be brought to trial, but so was Oswald; Oswald was shot while being moved by the Police, and before he could be brought to trial.

11. These coincidences, as you have seen, extend not only to the Presidents and the assassins, but also to the wives of the Presidents because Mrs. Lincoln, the wife of President Lincoln, lost a child while in the White House, and Mrs. Kennedy, the wife of President Kennedy, lost a child while in the White House.

12. Lincoln had a Secretary and that Secretary was called Kennedy. Secretary Kennedy
advised President Lincoln most strongly not to go to the theatre where he was assassinated. President Kennedy had a Secretary also and he was called Lincoln, and Secretary Lincoln strongly advised President Kennedy not to go to Dallas!

13. John Wilkes Booth shot President Lincoln in the back while the President was watching a show and then the assassin, Booth ran to hide in a store. But Lee Harvey Oswald shot at Kennedy from a store and ran to hide in a theatre. You just read that carefully again and see how very strange it is: One assassin shot in a theatre and hid in a store, the other one shot from a store and hid in a theatre.

14. L-I-N-C-O-L-N is seven letters, and if you count up K-E-N-N-E-D-Y you will find that that also has seven letters.

15. If you count John Wilkes Booth you will find that there are fifteen letters, and if you count Lee Harvey Oswald you will find that that has fifteen letters.

16. It is believed that Oswald killed Kennedy and Oswald had accomplices. None of this has been actually, definitely, incontrovertibly proved; it is a matter of circumstantial evidence, no one can prove that Booth murdered Lincoln. In the same way Oswald, it was stated, had accomplices, but it has not been conclusively proved that Oswald did murder Kennedy, and it has not been proved that Oswald had accomplices. Let's face it quite bluntly -circumstantial evidence points clearly at Booth and at Oswald, but again how much of what we could read was actual truth and how much was the press pre-judging and pre-condemning a man? We do not know and I point out this because it is another coincidence in the case of two men.

17. You will remember that the man called Ruby, who was a bit of a fanatic, killed Oswald, he shot Oswald in front of the television cameras, he just pushed his way past the police, pointed a gun and pulled a trigger. But Boston Corbett was also a bit of a fanatic; he too believed that he was doing right when he murdered John Wilkes Booth. In both cases these two men killed the man suspected and accused of the murder of a President, and in both cases it was stated that the second assassin, that is Corbett and Ruby, did so out of excessive loyalty for the President of the time. But in neither case is the actual motive established.

Proof or just coincidence, because if you think it's just coincidence, then that is a lot of coincidences if you don't think it's enough proof.

Morrile

[dreamscaper]

What does this have to do with reincarnation though? Do we come back to do the same things over and over again? Interesting information.

[Morrile]

Originally Posted by dreamscaper

What does this have to do with reincarnation though?

Quite a lot seeing that more than one person reincarnated simutaniously.

Originally Posted by dreamscaper

Do we come back to do the same things over and over again? Interesting information.

Yes, for two possible reasons. firstly: you completly failed this time around, much like a yound child sitting the same class because they didn't learn the first year. Secondly; upon reviewing your life - as we all do once it's finished on this earth - you decided that you had left unfinished tasks.

A very good example is Galileo who died on 8th January 1642 and Stephen Hawkins was born exactly 300 years later on the 8th January 1942 both individuals deeply interested in space and astronomy. So you can clearly see that if you don't achieve that which you should have in one lifetime, you will return later to do so. Sometimes is can take many lifetimes to achieve your goal.

I hope that answers your questions

Morrile

[angelstouch]

Although these are true facts.. nothng points to the fact of reincarnation.

no proof has ever been scientifically found. although there are many accounts of past life etc. none have been conclusive.
so whilst these are indeed co-incidences and fact they do not prove at all that the same spirit has been reincarnated.

regards

[Morrile]

Yes it does point to reincarnation, quite a few reincarnations as a group of spirits played out a similar role with a 100 year differance.

Metaphysics - such as reincarnation - is a very real thing which cannot be measured by Western 'imperialistic' methods because it's dealing with matters beyond the ordinary everyday senses of the body; that is, until one has evolved spiritually enough to perceive and comprehend such matters. So Western science will never offer actual proof whereas Eastern science does.

Ask yourself this question; what would you accept as proof then? and by whom? let us not also forget that if someone doesn't want to believe, then it doesn't matter how much proof you offer, as they don't wish to believe. (and That's NOT having a cheap dig at you)

regards,

Morrile

[Nat]

No wonder you are so convinced about reincarnation - you accept coincidences as evidence :?

[myself]

I am sorry but you don't make the thought of reincarnation any more appealing than it was before i read your post. If infact we reincarnate as you say we do then the point is to continue making the same mistakes over and over, replaying history for the benefit of whom? some sadistic higher energy that wants to watch us like some carry on movie? Sorry but i find that even harder to believe than your theory.
What did the person in the first life do so wrong to have to redo the whole thing again? and then when they did it over again what was the point if it ended the same way? all this redoing until you get it right doesn't sound like any fun to me. Did the first one not suffer enough pain so had to come back and suffer again? makes no sense. Why does a person need to come back to suffer the same things over and over? surely once you have felt pain you can equate that to other areas where pain may be felt? working as some form of record being stuck in some cosmic record player is not my idea of an enjoyable eternal life.

Joy xxxxxxxx

[Xenon]

:wink:

[Morrile]

Hello Myself,

Why should reincarnation be appealing? Please explain what you think will happen once yout time on this planet is completed, as death in this world is just birth into the next and I am intersted in knowing your point of view on this.

As your spiritual self is mearly an extension of your higher-self or over-self - what ever name wish to call it - it's doesn't matter how bad life may seem whilst on this planet as it all depends on on what lessons are trying to be learnt. When all said and done YOU choose this life and all it's hardships BEFORE you came here.

Regards,

Morrile

[dreamscaper]

I just don't see anyone in the spirit world planning to come back and kill someone as a learning experience.
"I really didn't learn anything by shooting this person so I want to go back and shoot another one!"
Maybe I am just not understanding though.