[AMP]

Unload its etheric burden? Go to sleep? And I thought when we went to spirit we were more alive and awake than ever we have been here!! And how could they not know they were dead? They would not be able to communicate with those still in the physical and they would have loved ones/guides to meet them (they don't have to be called).

AMP xxxx

[Wave]

Sorry, AMP24 - common misconceptions. Ghosts who haven't crossed into the Spirit Realm haven't shed their human emotional loads and can become earth-bound. When your physical body dies you don't automatically become Spirit and there's all sorts of reasons why they don't cross. Lack of belief in an afterlife, guilt, scared of going to 'Hell', thinking they don't deserve to go to 'Heaven', grieving familes, traumatic death - heaps of reasons.

Some also don't realise they're dead because they can see themselves still walking and thinking and only alive people do that, surely? Some of those think they are dreaming and so are no problem but if it's a little boy who can't find his family and no-one will talk to him, maybe chucking stuff at people will get their attention

The Asafoetida destroys the etheric energy earth-bound ghosts still have and it makes them drowsy because they are losing the energy that keeps them going. I only ever use it if a ghost is aggressive. I prefer to talk them over and have it be their decision.

They can contact those in the physical but a lot of the time we shrug it off as our own thoughts. Which is what I used to do As to why their Spirit families don't come forward to claim them, I'm still looking into that one but I think it may be because this is part of their learning process. Their families may come forward but the ghosts may not see them or believe it is them. When I have a definative answer I'll let you know

Like all of us, I'm still learning but it's a fabulous subject

[Wave]

AMP? My friend, who I think is THE best exorcist in the whole wide world, gave me this answer. It will be clearer than mine

"Some ghosts don?t accept that they are dead because it goes against their reasoning. If they are walking around, talking, thinking, still themselves, then to their mind it must be something else and there is something wrong with other people, not them. Most people outside of religion are brought up to believe they will just snuff out at the end, and they haven?t, therefore they can?t be dead. The notion that they might be doesn?t even occur to them. Other people might be seen to be in a miff, or deaf, or ?something weird is going on,? but they don?t know what it is. Some of them think their minds are going because they can find themselves somewhere new in an instant ? and that simply doesn?t make sense to them. They think they?ve lost track of time. I read one account where a man got quite angry because another man gave his wife flowers! He didn?t recognize it as a gesture of condolence.

"The old guy who saw the beautiful angelic form step from my aura had his own complaints to make to her. Her told her, ?No one brought me my food.? He had no idea he was gone from the physical plane. All he knew was that suddenly everyone was ignoring him and not bringing him his tucker!

"I?m certain that some earthbound spirits are going through valuable learning, perhaps as a way to wake up to their rigid thinking about what is and is not possible (like survival after death). A lot, though, cannot be reached by their relatives or their guides simply because their (the earthbound) vibration is so low and they are so fixated on the physical plane. Think of how we can?t even see the etheric, which is right next door to us. The spiritual realm is of a much higher frequency and that?s where their relatives come from. It also doesn?t help if the earthbound individual doesn?t realize they are dead and doesn?t think about their relatives who have gone before them."

Hope that helps

[Nat]

Sorry Wave - another misperception is that we don't automatically become spirit. We already are spirit, ... we are spirit in a physical body, and when the physical body ceases to function and no longer houses us, we are then simply just spirit. We don't first become ghosts and then later become spirits. :?

As for Asafoetida, perhaps the most telling thing about this substance (from the parsley, fennel, chive type family) is that it is a staple of Indian cookery (yum) coz it relieves 'hot air' from the nether regions ... lol. * Hmm, wonders if there is a whole lot of hot air needing relieving when certain sites advertise it as having quick fix paranormal properties ..lol.* Is interesting also that tho you can buy it quite readily from international food stores, etc, and at quite a reasonable price (approx double the most basic of spices, condiments, oils, etc, - depending on the form you get it in - so still rather cheap. Well it's not like it's Vetiver or something (my fav smelly substance) at 10 x + the price anyway) yet when it ends up on a paranormal site you can obtain 1/3 rd of the quantity for triple the price.

Enough said really - except 'save your money' people unless of course you are actually in to a garlic/ onion type scent, (which I personally like by normal standards) except one so awfully pungent that some describe it (prior to cooking) as 'devil dung'. :lol: :twisted:

Hmm, then again, ..maybe that is the catch - smells so terrible spirits flee the scene :smt043

I'm joking guys ..lol

IMO :roll:

Nat xxx

[Wave]

Hi Nat. No question. We are souls in a physical vehicle who work in the physical, aetheral and astral realms, here to learn. But to return to the Spiritual realm we have unnecessary energy we have to lose and some people can't do it. I don't find asafoetida expensive and if someone has lobbed an aggressive aetheric form at me who won't listen, which happens with monotonous regularity, then I am quite happy to go for a quick fix. Just going on past experience, my guides and returned spirits Sorry, forgot to mention the fays and elementals. They've been huge in my teaching, too.

Now vinegar will definately get rid of larvae from the smell alone

[AMP]

Hi wave,

My personal experience and learning has led me to believe differently. I know that spirits cannot get stuck and always know that they have passed. Maybe not the exact second that this occurs but very shortly afterwards. There will be guides and family members there to help them accept it. They may then choose to stick around, but that is not the same as being stuck. And for me I think the best people to help them move on are those on their side of life. For me, taking part in rituals in the physical world can have no bearing on what happens in spirit. Maybe it just makes us feel helpful. Like Nat, I think that sites selling items as you describe are out to make a quick buck. Of course, you can say this is just opinion, as is yours, but it makes so much more sense to me.

AMP xxxx

[Wave]

That's okay guys. It's unfortunate that you don't realise just how much help we can offer those ghosts who are lost but I KNOW I'm doing my bit. As you will when you get there There ARE counsellors on the other side to help them understand their experiences but they have to get there first. BTW? No rituals involved and as Nat said, you can buy the 'yellow powder' from your local Asian deli. At least be open-minded enough to give it a go.

I'm offski.

xxx

[pailinl]

Hi

Havent been on for while as moved house at last !!! We experienced things in that house right up until we moved out. When I told the children that we were moving they couldnt pack quick enough!! My oldest boy asked if we could tell the ghosts that they couldnt move in to our new house. I tried to make light of this and we all had a good ten minutes shouting at the house!
The house we have moved to has a differenent feel to it and all was calm for the first few weeks, but lately little odd things have been happening. The other night myself and my husband were talking in bed and it sounded like whispering and scratching coming from our pillows like two people were having a conversation. We have also seen a bright flash of light in the corners of the room as in the other house and have heard our names being called even when that person is alone. It is the same female voice from the other house which scares us slightly! We have also seen shadows out of the corner of our eyes. The kids havent experience any thing yet which I am glad for, my husband is blaming me, he says that I have brought them with me. Do you think they have come with us?

[bojijo]

Sometimes you just have to make a stand. Its your house and its your children. Take control over the situation and make it stop. I know that sounds like a big , bold statement but if you can get over the fear and truly realise that you have full control over what is happening then it will no longer control you. You really can make it stop. THE CATCH IS- You really have to eradicate the fear, you cant fake it. You don't need to declare war with the spirit world but talk to them and let them know you have decided that in the current form the manifestation is unacceptable and if they wish to enter your home then they will have to find a better way of communicating their needs. I may be coming on a little strong (my apologies) but ultimately it is your decision as to whether you wish for this to continue or to cease.
Your situation is a little different to mine but I learnt the hard way. I was getting pulled out of bed in the middle of the night and slammed into walls. And the truth is that it wasn't a violent experience. It was desperation on the part of the spirit resorting to semi violent but not painful acts such as that to get my attention and help me to wake up and see the potential for spiritual growth!
I am a new member and I really hope this reply went to the right place. And- I am truly sorry if I sound like a know it all. My children call me that all the time. It stems from wanting to take care of everyone.

[PhasLat]

This thread has got ridiculous - as usual on this forum.

You came here asking for help.

I offered a great medium not too far away. How come you havn't taken us up on the offer?

Quit the talk of exorcists, get a good medium in. I know one near you and he is willing.

Contact me and I can arrange it.

Ciao

Kieron