[Darmoe]

Originally Posted by essexceltic

dont realy know the answer here . but i did watch a movie based on a true story. the movie was called the entity this woman was harmed in this as well as been raped by a spirit they say that this woman now living in texas is still been abused by this spirit to this day.

The Entity is a true story and what the family was dealing with was not a Ghost or Poltergeist but rather Demonic Energy. Several Occultists that have studied that situation theorize the someone summoned this "thing"; quite possibly in an attempt to create Golem such as we find described in the Old Testament (and part of what inspired the famed Frankenstein novel).

The only "Ghost" in North America that has been credited for causing a death is the famed Bell Witch Ghost of Tennessee. She is credited for turning by General Andrew Jackson & his troops in one event but her most famous ties are to the Bell family. There was a film made recently about this situation but it revealed the psychotherapy resolution to it without any of the follow-up pertaining to sightings and interaction with her after the family Patriarch's death.

Though the idea that Ghost are but an Imprint or Psychic Memory exists, this is just one THEORY in that there are many other modes of manifestation that are far more interactive as well as intelligent. My family and I lived in a wonderful old farm house just outside Springfield, Ohio which is listed as one of the single most haunted residents in the state. Fortunately most were friendly ghosts, we only had one "elemental" that seems to be a bit agressive but we later discovered what it was and why it showed up as it did. There was likewise a Psychic Memory type situation in the area behind our barn... the property was a stop over for the old Underground Railroad...the escape route for black slaves. According to this manifestation as well as a later discovered historical record, a man had been lynched on this very site and hung from the same tree the ghost of a hanged man appears in.

Other than these situations most of our visits were pleasing and even comforting; children playing, piano music with people singing and of course a couple of the classics such as fireplace tools and nearby by rocking chairs moving at certain times of the night when "Mary" made her visits.

[littlehalo]

Hi there can only go on mu own expierience as a fledgling medium and i have never been physicaly hurt by spirit, although whilst ging a reading i most certainly feel the other peoples illnesess and pain which can sometimes be unpleasant. but will keep you all posted if any spirits do beat me up lol :smt061

[halfbreed]

I agree with everyone. I have had enough spiritual experiences to attest that ghosts can portray their feelings. I've felt it.

A few years ago, I walked out to my backyard and saw a youngman walking towards the canal in the back of our yard. I thought it was my son, the only other one at home but when I walked in the house, I saw him and said, "weren't you just outside". I disregarded it. A couple of months later, I walked out to my backyard to smoke a cigarette and got the most devastating feeling. I was extremely sad and heart broken. I suddenly saw that same youngman and I knew he needed light.

Six to eight months before, a boy, about 17-years-old, died in that canal. He was driving down the street in his banshee with no lights, at night, and a concrete truck, passing another truck, hit him head on. I believe that youngman was calling out to me because he knew I could hear him. I placed a wine glass with water at the window and kept a candle going for nine days, each day lifting it with a book and praying that he see the light. I lived in that home for another 3-4 years and never felt him again. My only regret is that he didn't come to say goodbye.

Like this I've had many experiences but all of them different. I love to tell my stories.

I have never studied any type of spirituality or ghosts. I feel them, I see them and I hear them. It is a blessing and a curse. A blessing because they protect me so much and a curse because sometimes they scare me. Not that I should be scared but it's still very impressionable. I would love to understand and control some of my experiences but I've never met anyone I could trust that knows what they are doing.

halfbreed

[unitedwegrow]

My thought is that all the info you have received are opinions and personal experiences, and that we should not consider any one thing to be fact, only personal experiences and opinions. I also believe that all who have responded to you have provided you with a great source of knowledge and compassion. The following is a post that I wrote that might make some sense to you.

Consider this:

A Man, when compared to the size of our Earth, is barely a speck of dust, unnoticeable.

Our Earth when compared with the size of the Universe is but just a speck, unnoticeable.

To consider that Man on our Earth in this vast Universe is the only intelligent life form is unimaginable.

To consider that this Mans research, exploration, personal experience, or documentation can be narrowed down to one complete final all encompassing word - FACT - seems egotistical and meaningless.

To say that Mans FACTs are the only accepted beliefs, truths or explanation for any given thing seems narrow minded.

Consider that MAN is a very young species in the scheme of things. With all of its learning, accomplishments, improvements and evolving, it has only been a little over a 100 years (one lifetime) that much of our science, mechanics, and medicine can be said to be revolutionary.

With this said, how can we say that any one explanation is FACT? We still have so much to learn, and maybe humility will be a part of that learning process. At most, can't we just say that an explanation of something is a belief, educated opinion or hope, and not actually a FACT?

A majority of our society believes that Psychics, Ghosts, Spirits, Orbs and the like are not FACT, does that make it true?

[Anstar]

OK I can't help myself I'm gonna have to put my pennies worth in here.

In answer to the original question Can ghosts hurt you? In my opinion no not unless you drop down dead of a heart attack caused from fright at seeing one :lol:

A ghost is simply a recording in time, as Vi said a psychic imprint left in the atmoshere which plays over and over untill the energy dissipates, it can be visual, audible or emotional or all three at the same time it cannot however have a conversation with you as the person who left the recording has long since gone into the spirit world and is off doing other things.

A spirit is a person and can communicate and give evidence of their life here in the physical world.

As for Beckie dismissing Vi's comments and saying she should read other books etc. I have this to say which I have said before in these forurms. I am more inclined to listen to and believe a person who has studied and read more books over the years than I've had hot dinners. Someone who does not just accept things on face value but researches everthing, has sat in experiments over and over again with respected scientists and is a scholar, auther, working medium and well loved and respected teacher.

As for those of you who have mentioned the film The Entity, I honestly find it hard to believe that you can believe in such a crock. Just because a movie states based on a true story does not make the story true. To make that statement there only needs to be a couple of truths like there was a woman who had some kind of encounter and then artistic licence comes into the picture and they will do and say pretty much anything to sell a movie.
Do you believe every movie that is based on truth? Like Braveheart for instance that movie makes out that William Wallace had an affair with Isabella of France and that her 1st child Edward III was his. But if you look at the historical facts it could not have happened as she was in France aged roughly 10 when Wallace was executed in 1305. She did not marry Edward II untill 1308 and her first son was born years after Wallace's death.
Numerous films are based on truth but you have to ask yourself how much is truth? 100% or 1%?

Anyway I've had my waffle, time to get off the soap box :lol:

Anstar :P

[littlehalo]

Well said Anstar i couldnt have put it better my self, yes books are very knowlegable but unless you are actually working with sprit and giving real proof under the guidance of teachers who have been mediums for years do you really begin the hard work, so this was very unfair to diss Sybil as it takes many years of study{we never stop learning}but the amount of peoplewho think that people suddenly wake up one day and say to thier selves i think i will become a medium, for me it started at childhood and i took my teacher many months of patience to help me gain the confidence to speak of what i was hearing.
I have went from bieng the wierd one in the family, to suddenly becomeing the gifted one lol (everyone else has uni degrees}If only if it was as simple as enrolling at uni.
But enough from me sorry ive not been posting for a while as i took Sybals advice and studied as i have been working on platform with my teacher.
bye folks littehalo :smt061

[Windswept]

Hi,

I am by no means an expert on ghosts.
If we are saying that a Ghost is an imprint OR a Recording, ie. none interactable, a simple duplication of an event.

THEN, Why Does this Happen???

Or should I say does any one have an explanation for this - don't care if the answer is made up, just looking for some inspiration as my thoughts have run dry on this.

Are we suggesting that something has damaged the tape of time? The tape/ether of our world?
Sorry guys, just a bit confused.

Take Care

[Windswept]

Anastar - Going to pick on you a little, Sorry. - and taking this a little off topic.

Numerous films are based on truth but you have to ask yourself how much is truth? 100% or 1%?

- There is no dispute that there is knowledge in books, however like movies they are written & subject to the interpretation of the writer and what they want to portray. And its not about what they lie about in movies to make a more entertaining story, its the element of truth and where the story comes from that is important.

As for Beckie dismissing Vi's comments and saying she should read other books etc. I have this to say which I have said before in these forurms. I am more inclined to listen to and believe a person who has studied and read more books over the years than I've had hot dinners. Someone who does not just accept things on face value but researches everthing, has sat in experiments over and over again with respected scientists and is a scholar, auther, working medium and well loved and respected teacher.

Yet again - you are more than willing to take Vi's word on it.

I agree that hands on experience is the key, but there has to be an understanding that some people don't have the Vocabulary OR the Jargon to express themselves in an immediately understanding manner.

To throw my tuppence worth in (And There is no offence intended here Anastar/Vi), I don't think Vi should have risen to the bait in the first instance with regards to Beckie's comments, particularily when there was only a simple misunderstanding between the interpretation of what is meant by "Ghosts" & "Spirits"......which you kindly explained Anastar.

Beckie should maybe have expressed herself in a less confrontational manner and with more backbone to her arguement, however she is perfectly within her right to challenge Vi on the subject

There is no dispute that Vi' has an incredible Wisdom and experience on the spirit world, however I feel that she should have risen above what was said and elaborated, not just to aid Beckie if she was misunderstood, but aid the vast amounts of people who read on this Forum with their understanding. (I'd take a guess that Vi gets a comment like this about once or Twice a week [it should be water off a ducks back by now], and although both you and I understand her tone - for those that haven't had discussions with Vi before, her intentions of kindness and love are often not expressed clearly and her responses can come across as rather abrupt and not open for further discussion)

To elaborate on Beckie's point & perhaps to add further confusion.
There has been alot of debate on negative energies/spirits. Now if they don't exist - into what category do the stories/tales/experiences of people that invlove movements of objects/earie feelings, posession, interactive ghosts, spirits that are trapped in houses, spirits that are angry......fall into.
1. Ghosts,
2. Spirits,
3. OR Merely a person who is seeking attention with an elaborate story.

Because we choose not to open ourselves up to these kinds of things, through back up from other experiences, having never experienced it and only opening up to positive energy, OR because of the the writings and words of wisdom (which may have excluded these things for very important reasons) of our very noble guides, surely this Does not mean that there is no TRUTH in them.

Take care guys.

[norwhip]

Hi I don't believe in ghost,I have not met someone that has been given a black eye directly by spirit.We should think of the proverb you have more to fear from the living than those that have passed over,and how true that is.norwhip

[intrigued with all]

Don't know if anyone is interested but I have litrally met a ghost. It was one of the most surreal experiences ever. No, it did not hurt me but yes it was aware of me and itself. I'm sure it was using my mind on a pyschic level to make itself known but I and others saw it and it was not an imprint on time when it saw me it came right up to me and starred, right into my face. I could sense it's thoughts and it mine. I could tell you more but i'd sound crazy. I think that most ghost are imprints but to say all are is to assume too much. Some souls do get trapped here, this one was untill Spiritual mediums released it. I've had a lot to do with spiritualist myself and I have never heard it said there is no such thing as ghost.