[Nat]

You have been misinformed. Many people interact with spirits whilst oob and with no detriment.

Holding your breath is not going to achieve anything, ...tho you can be so relaxed when approaching an oobe that your breathing has naturally become more shallow and less frequent than it is when U are awake. You don;t become unconscious tho, ...your physical body might not be mobile, but your consciousness is very much awake when out and about.

As for spirits taking over your body whilst out of it, ... well I have offered my body to a spirit, who I was conversing with oob, (thought it would be cool to watch myself under trance control ..lol) and it was not possible for him to do anything without me being in my body. I had to go back in before he could impress upon my consciousness to effect any control, so i certainly dont have any concerns about a spirit being able to hijack my body when I am not in it.

Hope that helps a bit

Nat xxx

[Vasiliky]

Thanks Nat for clearing that up..
I was wondering,
is it possible for an entity which is already in your body to 'speak' when you are astral projecting/travelling
and how exactly do you learn how to astral project? (sorry if its been answered before)

~ V

[Nat]

What would a spirit be doing in your body? They don't hide out in there waiting for you to get in to an altered state or project so they can take over. Just doesn't happen.

You can tho hear spirit when oob, ..and you can hear them like a regular spirit link with telepathy even without them being in your presence when oob.

When I first became a medium and was first tripping off oob consciously all the time, it was like I was in training to learn how to use thought, feeling and focus to consciously control and use creative energy.

Occassionally I would be in person with the spirit (who I could also link with whilst in body) , but most of the time, he was 'somewhere else' on a diff vibration observing, and would make comments that would come to me like a voice over a PA system out of no where, ... cept I knew it was him, and knew it was being done telepathically.

Generally it would be commenting on what I was up to, guidance on how to go about things, using thought, feeling and focus, ...planting idea's for future work, ... or funny stuff - like laughing his head off at some of my antics.

As said, he could throw all these comments in from a whole other vibration level, not near me, and not near my physical body, ...so hearing a spirit speak whilst oob is simply just mental telepathy - wether they are in your presence or not, ...cept our own vibration is already so raised in that state, that the clarity is flawless.

Nat xxx

[JackieO]

Hi Nat,

your post is really interesting. When you say you were learning to focus your thoughts to use creative energy, what sort of creating would this be ? Would it just be creating on the other realms, or can you create for this reality ?

many thanks

Jackie xx

[Nat]

No, unfortunately, I could not just 'hey presto' things in to physical reality lol, … but sometimes it was creating things oob in astral/spirit planes deliberately, ..like making objects, etc, form, ….along the lines of what we do subconsciously in sleep paralysis and dreaming states, …only consciously and with will power, … then sometimes manipulating these objects, ..floating them around, altering them, making them disappear again, etc. Also worked on this by using feeling to achieve the same, not just thought alone.


What was really interesting tho, was deliberately making myself think negatively and watching the emotion corrospond on my surroundings, … going from all light and vibrant to dark dank, scungy almost 'wet' feeling – ick, ..but was able to go, yeah, enough of that, and revert it back. For me tho, this was a good insight in to how our thoughts and feelings play a part in our reality in the spirit world, ...how we end up on vibrations in line with where we are at mentally/emotionally.


Sometimes if having a mental issue with things, I would get voice over tips on how to view it and handle it best – eg: the first time I had 360 degree vision in all directions at the same time, I started having a mind jam tripping on trying to compute the perception, … and got told by this voice, 'treat it like a lucid dream' ...which helped me just let go of trying to analyze and label it, and just accept that anything could go in the realms of the mind and not to react to it,...just take it in for what it was.


This spirit also set up my first encounters with spirit unknown to me. They would literally tell me point blank that this person who I thought was an imaginary symptom of being insane. (i could hear him awake in body too) had sent them to me to give out info for them. The first time with a 'stranger' was oob, and I got such a shock at having this voice/image in my head being acknowledged by another individual that I almost fell over backwards in disbelief, … and in comes his voice, rofl at my reaction. Other times he would laugh at me being too self congratulatory when getting the hang of a 'skill' and would say things like 'well done', but then put me back in my place lol.


I also first discussed with him whilst oob the impending possibility of me allowing full control (total black out) in trance whilst in body. It was put to me as a challenge almost to be able to 'let go' and allow for it. Planted there before encountering it in a waking state.


So, for me, what was going on oob, was all like training and preparation to get me to accept and step in to the real life side of using all of this, ...and all ties in coz I have been able to deliberately cause pk whilst awake, and have let this spirit have full control in trance, … but without that oob platform to raise all these things very full on and in my face, whilst I am running around not believing any of it so just going along with it for amusement, ...I may never have been the type of person who would have ever have bought in to mediumship being real at all.


Diff strokes for diff folks tho, ...and this was just the way I got introduced to it all, ..and ended up with way too much evidence and confirmations to keep writing it off. Try as I might, I just could not come up with ways anymore to be able to discount it.

Nat xxx

[JackieO]

thanks for your reply Nat, very very interesting,

Jackie xx

[annie1]

Nat, I find your experiences so real like... meaning... As you describe your experiences.. you do so in such a way that it's like I can "feel" or get a glimpse of what you are describing. ( I promise I won't be a thread stalker to get a cheap thrill from your stories) ( However, I just might have to direct myself further in these OOB's and see what I can make of them..

Which leads me to a question. If someone is suicidal and actually, with every ounce of their fiber, wills themselves to die from the physical body and finds themselves leaving the physical body to only find themselves returning "back" to the physical body ( after having a very profound experience with a spirit)... and perhaps they thought they had a NDE, could this possibly have been an OOB verses an NDE? And if so, how could you know the difference? * I recognize the common answer of a medical team being at hand to call the time of death, however, if this happened in a private home with no medical team around to announce time of death, how would one really know if it was an NDE or an OOB? Are they relatively close as far as the experience goes?

Annie

Well.. In my past experiences that I can recall are one : Being younger suffering from migraine headaches and my mother teaching me to relax and meditation. As this occurred more I master doing it .. i remember having what i thought where dreams .. of me floating to the ceiling and thinking i would hit it where the fear would rush me.. next minute i would wake up startled. But this would occur over and over.. until one time being the nosy kid i was i turned around and saw myself laying in the bed as i was above and a cord attached to me and my body. That of course first time startled me where i woke up bit frozen in my bed. When I told my mother she smiled and said good for you not in pain anymore with migraines. So I took it as a good thing .. so i am not sure if this is true for all.. but i feel you sorta need to learn to move.. and go where you want. Allow your self to think out of box of what you see reality as. If that makes sense.

Second: NDE i had during an operation I had when I was 12 yr old. I am not sure clinical how long I was medically flat lined cause nobody wanted to scare the 12 yr old. I do know I was cause I was told later on, went through cradiaic arrest heart stopped cause of massive blood loss and i was born with heart issues. That experience i was watching them scattering about stopping the bleeding. As I lay on the table and a man in the corner watched and smiled at me. But there was no cord i noticed. Then again i wasn't really looking for it. When I woke up I had a lady telling me everything was fine I am going be alright smiling and i felt so much love from her. I asked her .. her name she gave it but kept saying rest rest. When i was feeling better i searched for this lady and gave description name. Everyone told me I only woke up in my room and family was waiting and there was no such lady in the hospital. That could have been just my imagination or i couldn't fully recall a good description. I take as someone was watching over me either way.

So the difference for me btw OBE and NDE is the cord and some reason things are clearer in NDE. If that makes sense.

Personal note I do wish I can experience what Nat and Vi have stated experiencing different planes and spirits during OBE. Maybe one day xxx

[annie1]

Hi Dark xx

Very nice explanation of both situations... I think I am understanding much better.... So if I were to sum it all up in a neat little package of words.. I would say... there is an *esoteric type of cord* that keeps you connected to your physical body in an OOB, and no cord for an NDE that releases you from your physical body.

I find this actually very fascinating.. as when a person is having an OOB experience.. and they are traveling about to different locations.. I wonder how that cord is really staying connected to the physical body. ( know what i mean)? I get an image of a slinky in my head when i ask that question..lol

This particular subject has many points of interest for me, so I am all open ears ( well eyes) and appreciate everyone's thoughts and experiences on the subject.

Annie

[orangeorbs]

Originally Posted by Nat

No, unfortunately, I could not just 'hey presto' things in to physical reality lol, … but sometimes it was creating things oob in astral/spirit planes deliberately, ..like making objects, etc, form, ….along the lines of what we do subconsciously in sleep paralysis and dreaming states, …only consciously and with will power, … then sometimes manipulating these objects, ..floating them around, altering them, making them disappear again, etc. Also worked on this by using feeling to achieve the same, not just thought alone.


What was really interesting tho, was deliberately making myself think negatively and watching the emotion corrospond on my surroundings, … going from all light and vibrant to dark dank, scungy almost 'wet' feeling – ick, ..but was able to go, yeah, enough of that, and revert it back. For me tho, this was a good insight in to how our thoughts and feelings play a part in our reality in the spirit world, ...how we end up on vibrations in line with where we are at mentally/emotionally.


Sometimes if having a mental issue with things, I would get voice over tips on how to view it and handle it best – eg: the first time I had 360 degree vision in all directions at the same time, I started having a mind jam tripping on trying to compute the perception, … and got told by this voice, 'treat it like a lucid dream' ...which helped me just let go of trying to analyze and label it, and just accept that anything could go in the realms of the mind and not to react to it,...just take it in for what it was.


This spirit also set up my first encounters with spirit unknown to me. They would literally tell me point blank that this person who I thought was an imaginary symptom of being insane. (i could hear him awake in body too) had sent them to me to give out info for them. The first time with a 'stranger' was oob, and I got such a shock at having this voice/image in my head being acknowledged by another individual that I almost fell over backwards in disbelief, … and in comes his voice, rofl at my reaction. Other times he would laugh at me being too self congratulatory when getting the hang of a 'skill' and would say things like 'well done', but then put me back in my place lol.


I also first discussed with him whilst oob the impending possibility of me allowing full control (total black out) in trance whilst in body. It was put to me as a challenge almost to be able to 'let go' and allow for it. Planted there before encountering it in a waking state.


So, for me, what was going on oob, was all like training and preparation to get me to accept and step in to the real life side of using all of this, ...and all ties in coz I have been able to deliberately cause pk whilst awake, and have let this spirit have full control in trance, … but without that oob platform to raise all these things very full on and in my face, whilst I am running around not believing any of it so just going along with it for amusement, ...I may never have been the type of person who would have ever have bought in to mediumship being real at all.


Diff strokes for diff folks tho, ...and this was just the way I got introduced to it all, ..and ended up with way too much evidence and confirmations to keep writing it off. Try as I might, I just could not come up with ways anymore to be able to discount it.

Nat xxx

Hi..everyone..I've had 4 oob experiences. The first one started with vibrations..while laying down trying to sleep, my whole being started to vibrate..it was amazing..and the next thing i realized was that I was oob..i tried to move around a bit but it was hard. The next time..i had the vibrations again..and when oob i moved around my house a bit and walked outside. I also met two spirits ..they were in myhome that time. But i have a couple questions if someone is able to help...why does this happen? is there a reason why this has happened. And how do you move to different levels, I dont move on to other levels..and the one i'm in is usually dark..it's nighttime anyway..so i'm thinking its just night there too. this hasnt happened to me during the day time, only at night.