[Warwick]

to quote aunicorn...
"I have much to say on this subject, so I will deliver it in a series of posts. In order for aliens to get to earth they must, necessarily, be able to travel faster than the speed of light, or, at least get around the limitation in Einstein's Theory of Relativity which says that no material body can travel at the speed of light. I am doing research in Relativity theory and have discovered that Einstein AND most other physicists made a mistake. Briefly, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity says that the world is a "Four Dimensional Space-Time Continuum". Whereas it is a "Five Dimensional Space Time Continuum". Necessary, to allow sub-atomic particles to be mobile with respect to time, since they have dynamic components that exist in future, present, and past time."

I have skimmed through your posts and am impressed by the thought and scientific detail in them. Even so, I suspect you are constrained in your vision (and I don't mean the optical phenomena) by the kind of 'tradition' which science imposes on us in today's world. Religion once performed the same restrictive function, but was fatally flawed and proved (important woed!) to be by science, which demands and workd upon proof, experiment and repeatable, physical demonstrations.

The religions discredited by science still survive oddly enough, though have been forced to amend and even grudgingly apologise for their falsehoods and mistaken insistences, which without the threat of burning at the stake and torture etc. they would never willingly have done.

Science is unfortunately just as inflexible, short sighted and reluctant to admit fault it seems, having become to many a substitute for religion. Einstein showed that Newton's Law were incorrect, even though we still can't really go physically fast enough to show this is true (other than in tiny, irrelevant and humanly undetectable ways). Science (and scientists - which i consider myself to be by nature and training) is skeptical, demanding and pretty rigid as a rule, employing observation and experiment to prove theories and notions, and allowing little in the way of speculation, imagination or philosophy. Unfortunately, this rigidity and uncompromising severity has become a tradition, and any reputable scientist is strongly discouraged and naturally reluctant to investigate or study anything considered by the establishment to be controversial, particularly in the realms of what we call 'the paranormal'.

A few brave souls have gone against the grain, notably Sir Oliver Lodge - the renowned physicist who investigated spiritualism and others, but that was a century ago, and the climate has become too intimidating for anyone wishing to avoid ridicule, and worse still, withdrawal of funding. I am thinking of the 'spiricom' experiments here, which provided spectacular evidence of communication with 'the dead' back in the 1970's, but were ignored by horrified mainstream science at best.

In my opinion, we need a new kind of attitude among the scientific community, an open-mindedness which is sadly lacking for the most part. The question you ask... "Is there a God?" can never be answered by scientific experiment or observation, as I don't think "what is God" is even remotely known to us yet (different for everyone I suspect?). I notice you refer to God as 'He'... where does that come from? If you believe in the Judaeo/Christian?Islamic 'god', why any need for a gender - no mention of Mrs God anywhere?

Enough nit picking however, the point I'd like to make is this: It is possible to combine science with 'religion', or 'parascience' - whatever you wish to call it. There is no such thing as 'supernatural', only nature we don't yet understand. Travelling beyond light speed - if you think about it - would best be done in an environment where light, speed, position and time are irrelevant or different, fair enough? How about 'the spirit world', which has been well proven to exist (by Sir Oliver for one)?

The mysterious 'Dark Matter' which upsets Hubble's theory (according to observation) is probably this invisible world and others (or 'dimensions' if you prefer?) we cannot yet detect reliably. Simple...

There is so much more....

[Corvus genus]

perhaps people disregard aliens and UFO for the same reason they disregard "Fantastic" Creatures like gnomes and fairy's .

Just because aliens exist doesn't affirm their image as emotional retarded who cause suffering in all sorts of nasty experiments ( not less nasty then anything humans are capable of in their laboratories for sure )

but maybe there is some truth in it ... nevertheless there are less emotionally retarded aliens whom are benign

Humans are also a type of alien .... maybe thats why we tend to alienate others and make wars .

but there are some benign humans , and alien's who promote spirituality as there are humans and alien's who promote war and misery .

were all in the same melting pot
the fire is on
and the cosmic ride is about to begin as everybody fasten their seat belt on the earth .

[KarlO]

Read The 12th Planet by Zecharia Sitchin for a whole new look at aliens

[Warwick]

magnusalexa..... this makes sense mostly, though you didn't stress something vital (IMO) enough...

Governments, authorities, all militaries and especially organised religions, are utterly terrified of the idea of 'aliens' with power and technology more advanced than theirs. Any such 'alien beings', capable of traversing time and space using technology way in advance of ours would be seen as a terrible menace to those in authority, who obviously have a desperate desire to deny the existence of any such thing, and preserve their aurhority at all costs.

I will point the finger at the current 'top dig' nation on this planet especially here, to wit, the USA. Being English, it disgusts me that thanks to our so-called 'specual relationship', my country slavishly follows their orders, and is even more paranoid, secretive and devious when the truth about this issue comes into question (the British establishment has been distinctly desperate and paranoid since the French Revolution and long before).

The USA has certainly resorted to despicable, illegal and unconstitutional methods to suppress any mention of this matter, we all know of the stories and legends... now made into films, as part of what has become a tradition of disninformation and tidicule. It makes good entertainment of coutse, appealing to our natural, human fears of 'aliens' and invasion....

The US has also persuaded, bribed, threatened and ordered other, less paranoid nations to follow this policy, using despicable means sometimes, and as a last resort using ridicule. The top dog Western governments have used all their influence to silence anyone and everyone attempting to dispute their insistences, be they smaller nations or their own citizens, who have certainly been persecuted, ridiculed, discredited and even 'dissapeared' to shut them up.

I strongly suspect they would dearly like to backtrack now things are coming to light, but because of their paranoid heavy handedness past, no longer have that option. Awkwatd questions would doubtless follow, and powerful people would be compromised. Little wonder no alien would be stupid enough to trust or deal with our so-called 'representatives'!

On religious authorities the effect of an 'alien revelation' would be even more acute. Islam and Chtistianity would be shown up as the Geocentric, superstitious nonsense they are, as would Judaism. Their 'authorities' would be faced with the prospect of some far more advanced civilisation having more advanced beliefs, as well as technol;ogy - which you (and I) know they have.... even the notion of spiriitualism rattles them to their ctimbling core!

There is a lack of convincing material evidence for extra terrestrial alien visitors even so. It is possible that X-File and Hanger 19 style ship retrievals have taken place, and that reverse engineering may have allowed humanity to produce some remarkable, secret craft - an enormous budget seems to remain unexplained in this area. No 'alien body' or spacecraft has reliably ruened up for publlic scrutiny even so (public as opposed to 'official'!), and I doubt if it will in the near fututr, since the true natutr of these 'aliens' is not understood.

As far as I know, most 'aliens' are not extra terrestrial travellers, but are a real phenomena who have lived alongside us as unseen co-terrestrials for a very long time. I need no 'proof', I know this... if you don't believe me, ask them?

The 'five dimensions' bit is intriguing. I have a differnet way of seeing it, which is brutally scientific yet lacks the horror of maths. In our present form (i/ e. here on this planet as human beings) we are restricted in senses to four dimensions as a rule. Fopr something to exist and be perdievable to us, it must have the obvious first three, length, breadth and depth - without any one, it is too 'falt' to be. Even with definite quantities in all those dimensions, if it doesn't last or exist for any time, it also 'never exists' to us.... and even if displaced from 'our time' for a fraction of a second, will never 'be there' as far as we can see, know or detect. Foe some unknown (to me) reason, we appear to be stuck on some progression in time of one minute per minute, and cannot stray even nanoseconds beyond that - the first three dimensions have similar qualities in some ways, dur to our movement through the material Universe

The 'fifth dimension' is altogether more diffiicult to define, measure and visualise however, not in such simple terms anyway. As for the sixth, seventh eighth and whatever else, best left to mathematicians - who are not scientists, but make things up as they go along.

This inability of me to umagine, visualise or experience the fifth dimension reliably may explain the often vague, diverse and even sad 'virtual shrugs' I have had from those in the next world, when I ask awkward questions concerning the nature of their existence....

[ThatGuyAsking]

i don't like the thread starters attitude.
leave us none believers alone and don't you dare worry for us, your the one that believes in aliens!

[Emerald111]

Everyone has the right to express his opinion,it's not personal,ThatGuy xxxEmerald

[Telly]

This universe is so big its unbelieveable, i personally think its nieve to believe we are the only things that exist in it. but in saying that we all have our right to express our opinion and our way of looking at things.

[mustang2008s]

i like to think i can think a little more broad to the fact that we are alone in the universe. if we were able to become and evolve like we have on earth than i am sure that there are others that have done so elsewhere. as for all the visits that are reported some are hard to believe but if they are true all they gotta do is call and i will fore up the grill and get a 12 pack on ice and we can have a good time just without all the probing and tests lol

[Palentir]

yes aliens exist. 2015 phoenix arizona is apparently first contact. but apparently there might also be fake events in the media too. so watch out for that. if you want to meet them, or see them, you need to first believe, and secondly invite them. they monitor our energies. we will see more sightings after 2012 ;-)

watch a video on youtube called Disclosure project too. thats quite convincing evidence thats available now.

[funnythoughts]

Well, I don't quite know what to say because I have not made a strong study on the matter. Aliens don't interest me as much as ghosts do. I do not know whether they exist or not. If they do, they don't seem to make their presence felt, do they? All we have about it is hearsay... you see, what others have said about it. We can't see an alien like we can see a stone or the sky or the ocean.