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Mon, 12th Jan 2009
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I agree, I'm sure they did survive. BTW, have a look at this, v. interesting indeed! The photos at the end ,ay well have been spoofed, but...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8 IIRC, the body of one hijecker was found withing hours, on the roof of a building near the WTC (having travelled right through one of the towers and exited the other side). There are no photos unfortunately, though I'd guess it would have required the efforts of a very experienced mortician to make him 'casket ready'... using quite a bit of wax. I suppose that no 'accident investigation' was required for the WTC attacks, as they weren't actually accidents, and were multiply recorded on film and video - unlike the vast majority of accidents. Having been reliably plotted on radar and witnessed by millions ctashing, I can see no need for the flight recorders to be examined, apart perhaps from the coclpit voice recorders. I daresay all those contained was a quick "Allah is Great!!" just before impact? CVR's are very rarely released to the public BTW, for obvious reasons. I have had the dubious privilige of hearing a dew, and it would be of little comfort to grieving trlatives to hear the last 'words' of the pilots, which are almost always a few curses followed by spine chilling, hysterical screams. Being situated at the rear of the aircraft, the flight recorders would probably have been one of the most difficult thing of all to find in the WTC case, buried under millions of tons of debris, and pehaps cooked for weeks? It actually wouldn't have surprised me if they'd never been found, but it seems not.. http://engforum.pravda.ru/archive/in.../t-154155.html Strange, isn't it? As soon as the magic letter F,B & I come into the matter, a conspiracy seems to start? That earlier url I posted might well have something in it? http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ppfinal.html Conspiracy theories ABOUT conspiracy theories concerning dubunking... is that going too far? I smell a rat! Persnally, I think that article has a very good point. A classic example of this was the (now notorious) "Alien Autopsy" film, allegedly the extra terrestrial post mortems of those who crashed at Roswell. This is a clasiic really, poor quality B&W film of what would undoubtedly be one of the most important events ever to take place in human history. No film stock ID, no secret govt. agency 'packaging' -the very notion of such a thing reeks of conspiracy, which indeed it was. Incredibly crude all considered, all but the most unhinged, wishful thinking and paranoid 'theorists' failed to fall into the trap of claiming it was proof of a cover up. A pathetic attempt to debunk the deceitful debunking debunkers, who tried to pull the wool over our eyes... 
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Tue, 13th Jan 2009
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I'm with Windigo on this one; hate to say, but there are way too many 'coincedences' for my liking. Also, the thermite that was found was actually 'Thermate' a brand name used by the demolition industry, so they not only found thermite, but they also found proof it was set up to be demolished. Also, the mystery surrounding building 3, which also collapsed yet no jet flew into it & there was no fire. Why?
Then there's NORAD, who failed to scramble jets in time (never happened before), the pilot who, whaen told said, and i quote "Is this real-life, or exercise?" And again, as Windigo has mentioned, the EXACT SAME THING happening on July 7th in London - something stinks about this whole affair & our leaders are up to their necks in it.
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#33
Wed, 14th Jan 2009
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Actually Karen, you have pointed out something very important there, which I overlooked (being focused on the technical details of the crashes themselves). I have no doubt there has been a conspiracy, designed to cover the tracks of the notoriously inept and inefficient US security servicies (whose main concern seems to be their own security and secrecy), and the Bush administration whose penny pinching cutbacks helped to 'leave the door open' for 9/11 to occur.
There is also the matter of how much the Israelis knew and/or passed on - who do have highly efficient and totally ruthless intelligence agencies, that operate worldwide. Whether by design or unfortunate coincidence, 9/11 and its inevitable aftermath played right into their hands in many ways... and there seems to be evidence that they might have witheld vital information about an impending attack in their own selfish interests. I doubt if this matter will ever be satisfactoraly resoved, the suspicion will always be there... particularly when you see how ruthless, cold blooded and selfish they can be in Gaza at this moment. Irgun and the Stern Gang seem to have been so quickly forgotten and forgiven after their ex-members reached high offfices in Israel? Both these matters were of course extremely embarrassing and deeply humiliating for the US government, military and 'intelligence community', all of which desperately deployed smokescreens, clammed up, and syatyed making unlikely excuses ASAP. You'd think after the Kennedy asassination they'd have learned their lesson, but it seems not... Mind you, we British have had our 'forgetful moments' too when necessary, such as failing to inform the USA about Pearl Harbour in time... such is politics? The shameful debacle of going to war with Iraq tops the bill for me however, the lies and deceit about that were shameful, as was the callous disreguard for public opinion in the UK. Blair never really paid the price for his incompetance or subsequent dishonesty IMHO, having been cornered by false intelligence repoers. He was effectively put in the position og having to admit he had lied (on a very serious issue) or had been a fool. Not man enough to admit fault (I'm pretty sure it was the latter), and the result was having been shown up as BOTH, by trying to worm out of it! The trouble is, our leaders never seem to be accountable, which is a shame IMO, as they might be a bit more careful in future if they were. Look at Nixon, Reagan and Thatcher - criminals, all three. She even had the nerve to stick up for Pinochet... probably afraid it might set a precedent! Despite the shocking examples of Stalin, Hitler, Pitt the Younger, Cromwell and King Charles 1, governments and leaders in the UK and US still seem to think yjey are the law, not sublect TO the Law! Seldom subject to Justice I'm afraid...
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#34
Wed, 14th Jan 2009
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This dirty type of politics goes back further than Pearl Harbour; that attack was shamelessly provoked in order to allow America to enter the war, as it would've been illegal, as they were at that point neutral. Pearl harbour served to facilitate their desire to join the war. War is money, money is owned by the central banks, and governments loan money, at interest from these banks to buy arms and soldiers and go to war. The big bankers are running the whole show & are making a hell of a lot of money out of war.
The Lusitania is a prime example; The US were also neutral during the great war, Woodrow Wilson wanted no part in it, until he was shown the big plan - how could he then refuse? Greed is a big motivator! Germany actually posted an article in the New York Times, warning the US not to send the Lusitania into German waters, as it would be torpedoed - so what does Wilson do to stop this, to warn his people? Nothing! He let it ride and indeeed the Lusitania was sunk, as warned & America could finally enter the war and take a big slice of the pie for herself! It's all about money, simple as that - money and business. I wonder if the Gaza situation would've escalated to this point if the Palestinians were the main aggressors.......there would've been troops in faster than you could say 'axis of evil' !! I also wonder if the fact that there are a lot of Jewish multi-million dollar companies operating out of the US and the UK make us turn a blind eye to the atrocities which are being perpetrated on thousands of innocents as we speak? Are we siding with the Israelis out of a desire to keep these businesses, and in turn, our economies safe? Because if we are, we're wasting our time! Hello? Global financial crisis? I just think maybe we are a little one-sided when it comes to the Palestine/Israel situation. Gaza is the latest casualty of this one-sidedness - even when they bomb a school they have their ready-made excuses, "Oh, they have bases strategically placed on top of hospitals, so they're making us bomb the hospital to score points" YOU WHAT?! That stinks of bull IMHO! It sounds exactly the type of thing an American or British intelligence/military agent would TELL THEM TO SAY! I may be wrong, but i reckon it stinks. 9/11 was a slippery slope; they'll be trying to bring in ID cards soon ' for our security' B.S! They want us all on file, like cattle, but i swear to God - i will go to jail before i have one! Check out this link - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v1JqlvnZANA to see just one reason why we must never have ID cards - pass it on if you agree; the more people know the reality of this issue the better i reckon. Right, off me soap box now, lol Karenx
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