Many of us believe in karma, the law of cause and effect, usually related to the negative actions that one makes, this is accurate, also there are some that do not believe in other lives, they believe that we only have one life and that is it, so they feel we have karma for this life only... others believe in reincarnation so they believe that karma is dragged from one life to another, this is a common belief in India and many other places, they actually believe that if they are poor, if they are sick, that it is a past life karma that they have to pay, and they do not want to stop their suffering because they feel they are going to interrupt the paying of their karma... So is this true?

Not for me, I read in the best book of all "Wisdom of the Heart" by Flora Rocha, by the way if you do not have it you are missing the best book you can have with a deep interesting revealing information, she says that we only pay karma from our current life, we pay all our debts in this life, would it be fair to pay for something that we do not even remember, from a life and a personality that we do not even know how it developed? Of course not, at least not from my perspective, she explains which and how are the exceptions to this, only with very few cases, she also explains how wrong the theory that when someone is born with a physical discapacity it is not because of karma, and she explains in her book why is this... well I can write a whole lot more but well if you are interested in these kind of topics I recommend the book "Wisdom of the Heart" by Flora Rocha, my favorite writer by the way, I know it is easy to infer

Thanx for your time...

First you would have to believe in reincarnation... some people don't, so let's for the sake of entertainment, say, there is no reincarnation... then what...you have nothing to drag around with you.. so all is good So therefore karma would be none existent and would just make a great name for a child so there is one thought... now let's have another thought... what if there was reincarnation and we do this human thing over and over again, just keep coming back doing the same thing routinely over and over until what? What is the cut off point of reincarnation? would it be the Guru point of human incarnate, would it be the Monk stages, or better yet the religious leaders that scare most people into believing there is a hell and fear them into submission of the church? I am just not sure what consist of the incarnate cut-off point. So once we figure that part out, then perhaps we can move on to the next phase of reincarnation... which i guess would be karma... yes karma that lovely word that is used to cover up more stuff in a persons life then any other metaphysical word out there. ;)

So let's talk about karma... for most, karma is a repayment for something you did or did not do. My first question to this is... where is the lesson in that and where is the love? If karma, as it is stated is true, then what I am being told is this... if I make a mistake in my life and do something that affects another person subsequently who happens to be around me at the time....then I better prepare for dooms day and hide my head deeper then the dirt, because karma is coming after me on my heels and going to punish the ever living existence out of me.... I don't see the spiritual love in this, do you?? It is just another form of the same thing the religious ministers and preachers and teachers who are fearing people into believing they are going to hell for even being born. ( insert eyeroll) ... karma is a more "new and approved" word to the metaphysical world that sounds more pleasant in the long run, which in fact, is no different then the hell-ish nonsense. Once again, i have to repeat... if it doesn't make sense, reject it!! strike another one up for SIlver Birch.. gotta reject this one ;)

Annie

Hello Annie,

First of all I want you to know that I respect what you think, although we are here to exchange our points of view... so that is what I am going to do...

I agree with you in the fear aspect of the religions, but ok, like you said, lets start with reincarnation... The cut off point is when we achieve our mission, which is non other than be happy, to help others, to help our planet, to contribute something good to this Universe... Now, lets say that reincarnation does not exist, Karma would still exist, it actually is simply the law of Cause and Effect...

Karma is not the idea of God going after you to make you pay for an error you did, Karma is as I said the law of Cause and Effect, it is something like almost scientific, like if you have water in a recipient, the water is calm, steady, but if you move your hand in the water, there is going to be a consequence, something is going to change because of you, so if the water goes out of the recipient and you get wet, it was not God who made you wet, it was yourself, your own actions, the law of cause and effect, now if we extrapolate this into actions, into energy, into vibrations, then we can logically infer that if you have envy, hate, if you have those thoughts, even worse if you put them in actions, then you will have to face the natural consequence, and the other way around, if you have positive thoughts, positive actions then you will have Good Karma or Dharma however you would like to call it, now this is a brief explanation, if you are more interested in this, I would really recommend the book "Wisdom of the Heart" by Flora Rocha, which honestly explains in a superb way not anly this, but other topics like ancient civilizations, the four elements, and better yet, she connects those topics between them and gives you the perfect sense of things... This is the reason she is my favorite writer...

Well as I said, I respect your point of view, I just wanted to express mine, I hope you at least liked the exchange of ideas...

Thank you for your valuable time and energy...

For me "karma" neither describes the cause and effect nor some pointless life-to-life revenge system.

Cause and effect is another dynamic in itself that can easily be dragged into 3D - if I hit you, you get mad etc.


As I see it "karma" is really combined by 2 parts:

1. life lessons for the upcoming incarnation that you picked while you were in 'heaven'

2. wanted reactions to that lesson


Example:
life 1 your chihuahua gets killed by a pitbull and this creates anger in you towards the pitbull which was not the desired reaction to the lesson.
life 2 your son gets stabbed by a junkie and it creates anger in you towards the junkie and a negative spiral inside yourself is still not the reaction 'you' desire.
life 3 again you have a small dog that is viciously attacked by a big dog - but this time with experience your soul has become wiser and you no longer let yourself get filled with anger but instead you think how glad you are for the time you DID have with your wonderful dog - bingo! focusing on the positive aspect WAS the desired reaction, you have succesfully eliminated the experience of losing someone you love from your 'future karma'

The debate continues

I have no point to make here... It is of no importance if I believe in what is being stated here as fact or not. It is of no importance if you believe or share anything remotely close to what I believe in or not What is important to me, however, is that you DO believe in something that uplifts you and your spirit and offers you hope! And if it is about karma and reincarnation.. then so be it

Annie xxxxx

Hello Balance xx

I am happy that this works for you.. as I mentioned in my earlier post... it bares no emotions towards me what people believe in or not.. as it is not me who needs to change anyone of their beliefs. I am just happy to see people have some sort of belief system that works for them and allows them to have "hope" in something pure as love. That, in itself is a wonderful emotion! Best wishes to you xxx

Annie xxxx